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VincentVisser · 06-02-2012, 12:53

Hello

Do any of you use this bad boy?

Im looking into it. I went to a workshop at New Adventures conference with Ben Bodien.

He was talking about SaSS and Less frameworks.

Workshops | New Adventures In Web Design 2012

Was really good.

Just want to know if anybody els is using it and what you think about it?

Vince

teapoted · 06-02-2012, 12:59

For personal projects I use Compass.

My opinion on both of the frameworks is, as I've said before, they are productivity tools for people who already know CSS well, I would never recommend anyone who isn't completely confident in their CSS skills to use them.

None of them actually increase the quality of your code, in fact it most definitely decreases it, but working in Compass is about 50% faster and time is more important than small redundancies in code often.

d*d · 06-02-2012, 13:44

I don't like relying on javascript to do my css, otherwise I like a lot of what it offers - can see how it would save me time

teapoted · 06-02-2012, 13:55

Yes the javascript methods are not a good idea.

I compile from compass.

d*d · 06-02-2012, 14:00

you install it on your the server?

can't be doing with that, but that's my own ignorance and not a failing of the product

teapoted · 06-02-2012, 14:17

No it just runs locally, and spits out normal CSS.

d*d · 06-02-2012, 14:42

VincentVisser · 06-02-2012, 16:50

Compass uses the SASS framework so its not really javascript based but more ruby based but same process.

The thing I like about it is the fact you can indent your css. I really like it.

I have gone for less but thats just cause I know nothing about ruby.

Sherbs · 07-02-2012, 18:57

Bit off topic but. Any one used this?

Bootstrap, from Twitter

Teapoted?

teapoted · 07-02-2012, 19:00

Read about it but seems like there's too much redundancy for my liking.

I'm 'a bit' crazy about how clean I want my code, and frameworks rarely provide that.

Sherbs · 07-02-2012, 19:06

Yeah there is a heck of a lot of features I wouldn't use. But still its one of the most complete and nicely done frameworks I've seen.

VincentVisser · 08-02-2012, 16:11

I think with things like Bootstrap its good to know what they can do and cant and then dependent on clients needs you can choose to use it or not.

I mean not every framework will be perfect for every website so the more you know about the diffrent ones out there the better allround developer you will become.

I like Less and SASS but that is because its your code and I like to kind of know that I typed each html and css tag or selector. Plus its cleaner.

Limbo · 22-02-2012, 13:37

I'm looking at these options. Just don't feel too confident with installing them and the .js option client side seems like it'd be a little bit hungry.

d*d · 22-02-2012, 13:45

boom

CodeKit â€” THE Mac App For Web Developers

Limbo · 22-02-2012, 13:49

Bingo bongo bango bungle.

tsiger · 25-02-2012, 14:25

With LESS you can save a lot of time. It needs a bit of a planning before writing any styles with it because you can easily spend more time writing LESS than normal css

06-02-2012, 12:53	#1 (permalink)
VincentVisser Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: York Posts: 436	lesscss.org Hello Do any of you use this bad boy? Im looking into it. I went to a workshop at New Adventures conference with Ben Bodien. He was talking about SaSS and Less frameworks. Workshops \| New Adventures In Web Design 2012 Was really good. Just want to know if anybody els is using it and what you think about it? Vince __________________ Iz ams a Spam Bot

06-02-2012, 12:59	#2 (permalink)
teapoted ~ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 6,722	For personal projects I use Compass. My opinion on both of the frameworks is, as I've said before, they are productivity tools for people who already know CSS well, I would never recommend anyone who isn't completely confident in their CSS skills to use them. None of them actually increase the quality of your code, in fact it most definitely decreases it, but working in Compass is about 50% faster and time is more important than small redundancies in code often. __________________ @teapoted ~ csscience

06-02-2012, 13:55	#4 (permalink)
teapoted ~ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 6,722	Yes the javascript methods are not a good idea. I compile from compass. __________________ @teapoted ~ csscience

06-02-2012, 14:17	#6 (permalink)
teapoted ~ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 6,722	No it just runs locally, and spits out normal CSS. __________________ @teapoted ~ csscience

06-02-2012, 14:42	#7 (permalink)
d*d Keeping Tom Happy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 8,021	sold

06-02-2012, 13:44	#3 (permalink)
d*d Keeping Tom Happy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 8,021	I don't like relying on javascript to do my css, otherwise I like a lot of what it offers - can see how it would save me time

06-02-2012, 14:00	#5 (permalink)
d*d Keeping Tom Happy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 8,021	you install it on your the server? can't be doing with that, but that's my own ignorance and not a failing of the product

06-02-2012, 16:50	#8 (permalink)
VincentVisser Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: York Posts: 436	Compass uses the SASS framework so its not really javascript based but more ruby based but same process. The thing I like about it is the fact you can indent your css. I really like it. I have gone for less but thats just cause I know nothing about ruby. __________________ Iz ams a Spam Bot

07-02-2012, 18:57	#9 (permalink)
Sherbs apparently arrogant Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 971	Bit off topic but. Any one used this? Bootstrap, from Twitter Teapoted?

07-02-2012, 19:00	#10 (permalink)
teapoted ~ Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 6,722	Read about it but seems like there's too much redundancy for my liking. I'm 'a bit' crazy about how clean I want my code, and frameworks rarely provide that. __________________ @teapoted ~ csscience

07-02-2012, 19:06	#11 (permalink)
Sherbs apparently arrogant Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Essex Posts: 971	Yeah there is a heck of a lot of features I wouldn't use. But still its one of the most complete and nicely done frameworks I've seen.

08-02-2012, 16:11	#12 (permalink)
VincentVisser Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: York Posts: 436	I think with things like Bootstrap its good to know what they can do and cant and then dependent on clients needs you can choose to use it or not. I mean not every framework will be perfect for every website so the more you know about the diffrent ones out there the better allround developer you will become. I like Less and SASS but that is because its your code and I like to kind of know that I typed each html and css tag or selector. Plus its cleaner. __________________ Iz ams a Spam Bot

22-02-2012, 13:37	#13 (permalink)
Limbo — Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 15,603	I'm looking at these options. Just don't feel too confident with installing them and the .js option client side seems like it'd be a little bit hungry.

22-02-2012, 13:45	#14 (permalink)
d*d Keeping Tom Happy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 8,021	boom CodeKit â€” THE Mac App For Web Developers

22-02-2012, 13:49	#15 (permalink)
Limbo — Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 15,603	Bingo bongo bango bungle.

25-02-2012, 14:25	#16 (permalink)
tsiger Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece Posts: 16	With LESS you can save a lot of time. It needs a bit of a planning before writing any styles with it because you can easily spend more time writing LESS than normal css

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