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16-03-2004, 05:24
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now with added beard
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more xhtml questions
Hi all, 2 things - Can I use a standard table mail form on a site whilst keeping the page valid ? I can't seem to find one anywhere....all the valid sites I can find just use a mailto: link instead ?? Is there a reason for this ? I'm also trying to put a left column height of 100% on a style sheet so that the background image 'stretches' to fill the space, defined by the amount of text in the centre column, but it doesn't seem to want to do it ..... Any ideas ?? You can see it here (still working on it though) http://www.ahouseinfrance.net Mucho Mucho Thank You, One and all. |
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16-03-2004, 05:33
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Dr. Lucien Sanchez
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Not getting at you, but.... Why do people keep trying to build columns and divs to imitate backgrounds? Just apply a normal background - put something like background: #yadda url(yadda.gif); in the style for the main div. |
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16-03-2004, 05:35
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I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™
Join Date: Apr 2003
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http://www.alistapart.com/articles/practicalcss/ http://www.aplus.co.yu/sparks/dots/71/ http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/NAMO-5PQ38F http://www.picment.com/articles/css/funwithforms/ Quote:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ You should have a look at your site in browsers other than IE too. That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.
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16-03-2004, 05:37
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I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™
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You should have a look at your site in browsers other than IE too. That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.
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16-03-2004, 05:42
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trouble free and loverlee
Join Date: Mar 2003
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So long as the tables are 'well-formed' they won't automatically invalidate your code. There is (currently) no validation procedure* (in the pass/fail sense) whether or not a site uses tables 'correctly' (i.e. solely for tabulated data). The push to use CSS for layouts is a related issue that goes beyond code; one that is concerned with the creation and promotion of a meaningful, 'semantic', x-platform net/web. (* There is this though.) - Mailto links are generally a bad idea for several reasons. Mailto links rely on the presence of a functioning email client on the visitor's machine. These aren't always available on 3rd party machines (internet cafés, schools). There's also email harvesters controlled by spammers are becoming increasingly able to read the contents of even encrypted mailto links which means that mailto addresses will end up receiving sh*tloads of spam. Third issue (and probably as a result of either knowing or not knowing about the previous two issues), mailto links scream 'amateur'. |
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16-03-2004, 05:44
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volkswagen yellow & gold
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16-03-2004, 05:49
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I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™
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That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.
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16-03-2004, 06:20
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now with added beard
Join Date: Mar 2004
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Oooh yes, yes, don't stop....that's it. Give it to me now. That's how I want it..... Thanks for the help, the links, the advice and stuff... I'll be checking it all out, adapting it and learning from the whole experience very soon - you'll see...... It's all good food for thought... and I know that i SHOULD test stuff out on all these other browsers. I know I SHOULD. it IS good practice. It IS my responsibility. I know.......but somehow, in a few years of working and learning my trade, I've never been employed by anyone that thought it deserved the extra development time. I know it's wrong, but 95% of web users do it with IE, so who am I to argue the toss about Opera or whatever...I don't know a single person that's EVER used Netscape. Do You ?? Does that make me a bad person ? Are we losing sight of the fact that apart from a few web developers and programmers, the rest of the world are happy with IE ?? Now that's a big old argument in itself isn't it ? I wish I hadn't said all that now. Or do I ?? |
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16-03-2004, 06:25
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vague™
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My main browser is Firefox on XP, but i test in all the ones i have installed here .. Firefox, Mozilla, IE and Netscape (all latest versions). I can switch to SuSE Linux and test Konqueror or Galleon. For the older versions (and for different OS & resolutions) I use the excellent http://www.browsercam.com/  I know what you mean about 95% (or whatever) of people using IE. But it depends what kind of site you're developing in some ways .. a site relating to design is quite possibly going to get a lot more mac visits (perhaps in Safari) and so on. |
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16-03-2004, 06:39
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volkswagen yellow & gold
Join Date: Apr 2003
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welder, its not about what people use, its about building things properly. you might find that with the next release of ie (the one that works porperly without the need for hacks) that your sites all go bust. here's a screenshot from firefox, which i don't think you can ignore. its becoming the people's browser of choice. its an 2 colour gif to bring the size down. its the positioning that you should be concerned about. |
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16-03-2004, 06:55
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now with added beard
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Mr. Browny and the Camster.... I do appreciate what you're saying. I realised last week with Browsercam that there are several problems on various browsers with this site , my first attempt to get 'validated' by the way....so my main concern here is to be able to stick one of those nasty w3c logos on the site (not that I will) but for my CV it's gotta be progress !! The browser thing is something that I will get more involved in. deffo. and rightly so. However, if my employers, clients and colleagues are happy with the end results, generally - then it becomes financially awkward to expect me to develop for all platforms, browsers and abilities without passing that fee down the line for someone to pay for. I'll try to get into those habits in my own time of course, and for the future, but if a 2 day job here in work started to take 5 days because of browser issues - to cater for 5% of potential users - then I'll quickly find myself out of a job, and have all the time in the world to experiment, while selling my CD's to pay for the rent !! We ARE on the same side though, trust me. |
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16-03-2004, 07:18
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volkswagen yellow & gold
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16-03-2004, 07:40
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Part of the 3 out of 4
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weldo, i'm on the flip side from you I'm trying my best to make sure all my sites work correctly in all broswers, but my boss keeps coming over ans says: boss: why haven't you finished that site!? me: just had a realy problem with this page on Mozilla boss: does it look ok in IE? me: yes..... boss: well stuff mozilla no body uses it anyway! me: mumble mumble........... Jase
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16-03-2004, 07:41
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now with added beard
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F**k Me, I knew this would be a hot potato !! I didn't expect to get the 'virtual sack' from some tw@t though. I only joined this forum to get involved, and learn from those more knowledgable than myself..... I'll consider myself told off for not living the dream. Just doing my job, boss..... Forgive me for considering the need to put shoes on my son's feet over 'bleeding edge design' issues. Arsehole. |
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16-03-2004, 07:42
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Part of the 3 out of 4
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Plus, think of your portfolio this way. When you next go for a job interview at some trendy design study and they all use macs how shit is it going to look when most of your portfolio doesnt even work on their machines. Thats always one of my main worries. Think of the future mate. Jase
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