[Brown]

ok, we've covered image replacement but i would like people's opinions on flash replacement.

theory would be to have a bit of eye candy on a page in flash, but it doesn't have any content in it, no navigation, its just a thing that looks pretty. i looked into inman's fir comments but that's really for text replacement - there will be no text/content in the flash.

i want to hide it from mobile devices (phones, crackberrys, pda's etc etc) as it'll be too big to display correctly on their screens. xhtml 1.0 strict. one site fits all.

thoughts in the grey box below. ta.

[cam]

Wouldn't the PDA's, etc, just ignore the flash anyway? If not could always filter on UA data, perhaps a pain in the arse though.

Also, if there's no content, what are you intending on replacing it with?

Oh, and remeber to use flash satay for embedding into xhtml strict

[Brown]

just wnt to make sure that its not there.

cheers for the peanut link.

[Bill Posters]

isn't there an @media option for handhelds, etc…

if so, you could implement one with a …display: none; for the flash container.

[cam]

There's "handheld",

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/media.html#media-types

[Stickman]

Might need to do some testing. Some handhelds have been made to choose media=screen over media=handheld.

Genius.

[cam]

Originally Posted by Stickman

Might need to do some testing. Some handhelds have been made to choose media=screen over media=handheld.

Genius.

Why that's clever.

Maybe a combination of server side UA-detecting and @media output is the way to go..

[Bill Posters]

Originally Posted by stcikan

Some handhelds have been made to choose media=screen over media=handheld.

fukm, I say.
Standards, zero tolerance, blah blah.

[Brown]

just testing on a nokia mobile which decides it can read in a stylesheet using @import. fucker.

[smallbeer]

this might help...

http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/000055.php

[Brown]

it does. ta. was going to ask you as i remember you going on about the mobile device thing a while ago. you an expert yet?

[flatcat]

from my understanding mobile devices just ignore the flash and don't spend any time downloading it, anyone capable of backing me up on this?

when we tested this Michael Owen site we did on my boss's phone the flash was just completely ignored, however one phone does not designate the entire range of mobile devices :\

[smallbeer]

Originally Posted by Brown

you an expert yet?

nah, it's a minefield out there.

It's worse than the big screen browser wars ever were. The manufacturers seem to be able dictate everything at the moment. you'd of thought someone would of learnt from past mistakes by now.

I've got chumy with the guy who runs the mobile applications MSc here at the uni though so can always fire some questions his way for you if you ever need it.