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key_uk · 02-05-2007, 11:36

I keep finding good looking websites then i view the code of the site, and they always use tables. It seems like everyone is using tables. Im designing a few websites just using css, it seems much easier to slice a site in photoshop and inport it into tables in dreamweaver, be a lot quicker. Is there people out there that dont use tables?

weldo · 02-05-2007, 11:52

oh dear ...
tables are bad.

stop looking at bad websites.

use them for data - but not for presentation.

just cos others use bad practice doesn't mean that you should follow them down that road .... but by all means .... whatever ...

djeglin · 02-05-2007, 11:59

Weldo is right...tables are nasty. Avoid them. Yes, its a bit quicker initially do design a website using a table based layout, but the amount of time you will save in teh long run using proper xhtml and css will more than make up for it.

Looks aren't everything

microdesign · 02-05-2007, 12:10

try to search some more css galleries, all kinds of good looking sites that are tableless maybe u can checkout this blog item i wrote, 54 english css galleries

longisland6 · 02-05-2007, 20:19

i've seen some of those sites also, i think either their not spending the time moving to css because it works now and it's not a priority, or their just scared

pgo · 02-05-2007, 21:20

I call it "laziness". Layout tables have been out of style for at least 3 or 4 years.

key_uk · 03-05-2007, 03:53

I like this website and the websites these guys do at pop creative but all the stuff they do is in tables, and they are getting paid loads to do them!

weldo · 03-05-2007, 05:24

you seem to be missing the point here.

to use tables as a layout tool is no longer a good use for them, now that css support is widespread.

use them if you want - but ultimately look at job vacancies for web designers - html and css are top priorities - as they allow you to build sites that degrade well and can be used on handheld devices etc. without the problems that tables can cause.

how you make it look is entirely another thing.

there's nothing on that link you posted that can't be done using css - and its a better approach in the short/mid and long run.

go and build nested table layouts if you like. use spacer gifs and marquee tags. fuck it - use a blink tag if you like ...

key_uk · 03-05-2007, 05:50

ok cheers Weldo

funkyprem · 03-05-2007, 05:51

indeed weldo, absolutely no reason to use tables on thier otherwise pretty nice site, except for coders' lazyness/ignorance.

hello · 04-05-2007, 04:32

Non tables sites are far better for accessibility.

02-05-2007, 11:36	#1 (permalink)
key_uk Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 125	Tables and more tables I keep finding good looking websites then i view the code of the site, and they always use tables. It seems like everyone is using tables. Im designing a few websites just using css, it seems much easier to slice a site in photoshop and inport it into tables in dreamweaver, be a lot quicker. Is there people out there that dont use tables?

02-05-2007, 11:52	#2 (permalink)
weldo now with added beard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,432	oh dear ... tables are bad. stop looking at bad websites. use them for data - but not for presentation. just cos others use bad practice doesn't mean that you should follow them down that road .... but by all means .... whatever ... __________________ fuck signatures

02-05-2007, 11:59	#3 (permalink)
djeglin goober :-) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 533	Weldo is right...tables are nasty. Avoid them. Yes, its a bit quicker initially do design a website using a table based layout, but the amount of time you will save in teh long run using proper xhtml and css will more than make up for it. Looks aren't everything __________________ My signature sucks.

03-05-2007, 05:24	#8 (permalink)
weldo now with added beard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,432	you seem to be missing the point here. to use tables as a layout tool is no longer a good use for them, now that css support is widespread. use them if you want - but ultimately look at job vacancies for web designers - html and css are top priorities - as they allow you to build sites that degrade well and can be used on handheld devices etc. without the problems that tables can cause. how you make it look is entirely another thing. there's nothing on that link you posted that can't be done using css - and its a better approach in the short/mid and long run. go and build nested table layouts if you like. use spacer gifs and marquee tags. fuck it - use a blink tag if you like ... __________________ fuck signatures

03-05-2007, 05:51	#10 (permalink)
funkyprem For all your goober needs Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Coventry, UK Posts: 1,531	indeed weldo, absolutely no reason to use tables on thier otherwise pretty nice site, except for coders' lazyness/ignorance. __________________ Time is really the only capital that any human being has, and the one thing that he can’t afford to lose. - Thomas Edison prem ghinde

02-05-2007, 12:10	#4 (permalink)
microdesign Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 195	try to search some more css galleries, all kinds of good looking sites that are tableless maybe u can checkout this blog item i wrote, 54 english css galleries

02-05-2007, 20:19	#5 (permalink)
longisland6 stephen eighmey Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: earth Posts: 152	i've seen some of those sites also, i think either their not spending the time moving to css because it works now and it's not a priority, or their just scared

02-05-2007, 21:20	#6 (permalink)
pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	I call it "laziness". Layout tables have been out of style for at least 3 or 4 years.

03-05-2007, 03:53	#7 (permalink)
key_uk Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 125	I like this website and the websites these guys do at pop creative but all the stuff they do is in tables, and they are getting paid loads to do them!

03-05-2007, 05:50	#9 (permalink)
key_uk Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Shropshire Posts: 125	ok cheers Weldo

04-05-2007, 04:32	#11 (permalink)
hello Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 21	Non tables sites are far better for accessibility.

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