[Rik]

Originally Posted by sukino

Out of curious, since I am guilty of that many times, why not?

read the first post on this thread kiddo

[ravenfire]

I was a huge table designer before learning css and I'll admit to being like a few here and being very reluctant to give it up. When I first started learning css laying out the design was so much harder than the table format I was used to. But I pushed past it and now that I have a good handle on css I would never want to go back to table layouts.

I have a question about dreamweaver. I see so many freelance ads that say it is required that the developer knows dreamweaver. I don't know it and have no desire to learn it, I write everything in a regular text editor. Do these people basically just want you to be able to write the code (and dreamweaver is what they've heard of) or do they really want specifically someone who uses dreamweaver?

As for text editors, I use rapid css and love it. The alphabetical list of tags that accompany css pages is very useful (just find what you need to edit and click). And it also has great syntax highlighting.

[pgo]

Originally Posted by ravenfire

Do these people basically just want you to be able to write the code (and dreamweaver is what they've heard of) or do they really want specifically someone who uses dreamweaver?

The only time I've ever worked on a site that "required" Dreamweaver was one driven by a CMS that used .dwt files (Dreamweaver Templates) for its templating engine.

Go ahead and download the trial, get a feel for it (it really is a nice editor in Code View, but not worth the $400 price tag in my opinion).

I think a lot of people just put that as a "requirement" because they heard it was the "industry standard" (it isn't...in my experience). If you're really interested in a job that lists that as a requirement, why not pop them an email and find out what's up with that. Or just try to get the job and then don't use Dreamweaver. They don't have to know.

[ravenfire]

Thank you pgo, that's what I figured. I'll definitely reply to any interesting ads I come across now, regardless of the dreamweaver requirement. And I'll download the trial and give it a shot. Then I can honestly say that I know it even if I won't be using it for their job lol.

[Shiro]

If you know how to use a code editor, then you can pretty much say you know how to use dreamweaver! Just play around with their ftp functions, and figure out how the 'check in' and 'check out' functions work. Those are the things you may need to know which are specific to dreamweaver.

[ravenfire]

Originally Posted by haku

If you know how to use a code editor, then you can pretty much say you know how to use dreamweaver! Just play around with their ftp functions, and figure out how the 'check in' and 'check out' functions work. Those are the things you may need to know which are specific to dreamweaver.

This is really good to know. I'm going to download the trial and check these things out. Thank you!

[gavalian]

if you use mac try Coda, it's very cool soft..

[deadgood]

Thanks for the post Master pgo. All done in a language Graphic Designers can understand !

[pgo]

English?

[pgo]

Originally Posted by foundbydesign

learning HTML, CSS and some Java.

First lesson, it's JavaScript - not Java. They're two completely different, unrelated languages!

[Shiro]

It's a very very powerful language. I quite like it myself.

[Rexibit]

Originally Posted by sukino

Out of curious, since I am guilty of that many times, why not?

This thread does have some very good tips. One thing to note is that if you want your web page's data to be used in more than one place--a phone's browsers, gaming console browser's, or even another page on your site--then you need to format your pages solely with DIV tags and CSS.

You can get the same behavior as a table using CSS styling.

[JonnyP100]

Has anyone seen the opera web curriculum? opera dot com slash wsc (I would link you direct but my post count appears to be insufficient..)

It's not complete, but looks like it'll be an awesome resource when its finished. All standards based too.

[kwills]

Found another good link focusing on XHTML for beginners:

The Elements of Meaningful XHTML

[wheedwacker]

Here is a good intro to web design (not front-end dev, but design)

Designer Eye for the Geek Guy/Gal

and the slides:
http://acko.net/files/Design%20Eye%2...rch%202007.pdf

[the_b1ues]

Hello im new here and i just needed a bit of help.
First id like to say ive done a corse in web design through Ics which ill admit was a shit corse and ive had to work most of it out for myself, there is just to final things that i just cant seem to get my head around. Sorry before hand for long post.

Firstly slices. Ive been designing the webpages in photoshop first (dont no if this is the prober way so correct me if im wrong). Then saveing the doc as a webpage and opening it for editing in dreamweaver.
Anyway when ive made the page ive been told in my corese and on tutorials that anything that I will be editing such as link areas,headers,area of text, ive been told to make a slice. But when ive done this i end up with loads of auto slices that i cant get rid of. Because of this by the time ive finished makeing my page I end of with a image folder just filled with images that are just parts of the background or pointless white space. How do i stop this??

Secondly. How do you designers get your pictures onto the web. I upload all of mine onto photobucket and then replace all the code. I dont think this is the correct way.

Thanks for reading any help would be exelent.

[feha]

Originally Posted by ravenfire

I have a question about dreamweaver. I see so many freelance ads that say it is required that the developer knows dreamweaver.

I think they require that cause of they are using it in their web design services, so they can update or customize the work if needed after your delivery to them.
More easy for them to keep it a website project in one place, any other DW user can do modifications.

I do own a CS3 Web Creative Suite (standard) from Adobe. For my own designing I don't use DW but if someone sends a DW "project" than I can modify it and send back.

just my 2 cents

[pgo]

Originally Posted by the_b1ues

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I hope you didn't pay for your course because it was completely worthless and did you more harm than good. It set you on the wrong path for learning how to build web pages. Nobody does slicing and saving for web in Photoshop - it was always amateurish and now it's unconscionable. That's not how web pages are built and nobody who knows anything about the web would hire someone who worked that way.

Read through the thread. Learn XHTML and CSS, cut out only the images you need to create your web pages and replicate what you can in code. Upload via FTP.

[bjzaba]

Whoa! He's back!

[jcorradino]

Originally Posted by the_b1ues

Hello im new here and i just needed a bit of help.

Although photoshop is a really good tool in the designing of a website, it is a really bad tool for anything else. (EDIT: when it comes to web design, I mean... lol)

What you should be doing is designing the page using photoshop, save the slices that you actually need (small selections for any background that is not a solid color, logos, and other misc. pictures), and then use a editing program to finish the job. I have never tried using photoshop to create a website in this manner, but I would have to guess that it would be horribly inefficient and slow-loading. If it saves every image, then it is truly doing you a disservice, as visitors will not sit there and wait for your website to load.

I use photoshop on the initial design, select the bits of design that I cannot replicate using either XHTML or CSS using slices, save them as either a .png or a .jpg (depending on transparency needs), and then finish using textmate (a Mac code editing program similar to notepad++, but better ).

Dreamweaver is a crutch that produces (in my experience) rather bad code, it hardly ever is browser cross-compatible, rarely validates, and almost always is completely unreadable. Do yourself a favor, and start learning XHTML as soon as possible. Check out w3schools.com, it is a very good resource.

Jason Corradino
JasonCorradino.com