[johnp]

Hello,

I would like to request someone (volunteer) to make a site for a non-profit organization (irc network) running only from volunteers.. Of course your name/details will be displayed in the site.. this is the only way to thank you..

We want a modern design for the site.. From you we want just the template/design - we will add the text/messages and the info needed for the site.. Probably the most of it will be static (maybe some news section have to be dynamic.. you will decide that as we dont have the knowledge) - And we have a logo ready too.

If you are interested in participating in such kind of project post your email (as a new member dont know if you can PM me) and i will contact you..

Thanks

PS: couldnt find where to post it.. if its in wrong section moderators move it please!

[freelancr]

What is the purpose of the IRC network? I may be interested. You can reach me on MSN or EMAIL at the following address

me [at] lukearmstrong [dot] co [dot] uk

[2Dfruit]

as freelancr said, what's the network for?

[johnp]

I send him email with more info.. well probably i have to post it and here so as everyone know it..

Its for general use network - we dont have a standar theme and just that and nothing else. The difference is the quiality of the service we want to offer.. To give you some examples: we have order servers only from companies that can support 100% irc and also offer ddos protected dedicated servers. (we dont run any service on shell accounts), we have been coding our irc server daemon and services for 5 years now and we have done a really good work (one time registration gives you access at irc/site/forum etc.. SQL databases).. SSL servertoserver and usertouser and many many others.. also we have buy our own domain which is awsome for irc and also we own all knows tld .com .net .org .info and many country domains with the same name.. meaning that all domains redirect to the same site/network and not only one of them.. and in the same name but different tld you find other network.. Also each of our project have at least 8-9 years of irc experience.. we are not kids running a network for fun.. we try to do it as much as professional we can..

Thanks

[mindbomb]

Working for free doesn't help YOU the designer or the industry.

This stuff pisses me off - BIG TIME!!!

[Snowshiro]

Originally Posted by mindbomb

Working for free doesn't help YOU the designer or the industry.

This stuff pisses me off - BIG TIME!!!

Errr... let's hope you're not browsing this site with Firefox then. Or developing sites using Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP, Perl or any of the thousands of applications created and/or maintained by volunteers. Some of them are even designers.

[johnp]

mindbomb if you are not interested in volunteering and everything you do in your life is for money, you shouldnt look at that post.. let alone post on it..
There are too many projects around working only by volunteers and also some of them are THE BEST (linux,freebsd,mozilla......) and they are being used by the biggest industries and companies in the world!!!

As we dont have an income and we also pay too much for hosting servers and bandwidth (and as we code our costum made ircd we dont have time to learn howto webdesign) we cant spend on web design.. in the worst case that we wouldnt find someone we could use a ready template or a CMS (Which have been done by volunteers working on projects for FREEEEEEE if that say sth to you).

Anyway i am not here to fight with anyone.. Still as i havent found anyone, if you are interested post here and i will contact you.

Thanks

[paulanthony]

With all due respect I think theres a difference between building a website for free and volunteering on a project which will benefit the internet community as a whole.

[Snowshiro]

I'm not deliberately fighting for these guys, but out of the thousands of free applications, code libraries etc... created by volunteers, what percentage do you estimate are used by "the internet community as a whole". (Personally I'd guess it's at somewhere under 1%)

[freelancr]

Have you got any more details about the network and its target audience?

So far you have said you use custom software on dedicated machines, but why? There are loads of IRC networks out there, what is the niche for this one? Some IRC networks are for gamers, some are for opensource projects, some are for other stuff... what does this one do that the others dont? who will be using it?

The reason I ask is because I don't mind helping out on a project like this, but don't want to work for you if the network's audience is a load of peadofiles sharing porn, or anything dodgy/illegal?

Can you post up the name, or the address of the network, or the logo? Anything at all?

By the way you don't necessarily need the website making for you, have you looked into stuff like Mambo or Joomla or even Word Press?

[johnp]

well as linux is used by the 10% of computer users (maybe i am saying too much,as there are unix and macOS etc..) the volunteers of this project must have stopped developing it as they dont have big audience and linux is not being used by the internet community as a whole.. Yes then there would be only Windows and IE nothing else..

freelancr we dont know if we will have success and if we will become the biggest network in the world (though we would like, this is not our aim)! That we want is to offer the hightest possible quiality chat network.. without Spam, without war/ddos bots,without drones, without netsplits every moment, without xdcc/warez channels.. Our aim is to create a network only with USERS for USERS! a network in which children can chat with friends as they do in msn without the fear of a peodofiles and also without their parents dont allow them because they know that there are channels sharing porn.. All the networks that exist right now (or the most of them) have develop that way of thinking all these years and believe me irc is not that.. In irc there are very knowledge people with extreme skills in many fields.. We will in no way host "hackers" or "kiddies" want to rule the world.. As for the differences: how many irc networks run ALL their services in DDOS protected dedicated servers designed specific for irc hosting? and each one costs more than 200$/month ? which network have costum made ircd with spam filtering, anti drone mechanism, flood protections,guarenteed privacy,SQL, SSL, Ipv4/6, socks/proxies/wingates detection system, AI mechanism for bot catching and many others.. (Well we dont have a target audience as we see no point be on one network to just find info for your opensource programmes, be on another network to chat, be on another network to find gamers..).

(we have domains, we have logos but i am not gone give them in a public forum)

Well couldnt imagine i could say all these.. there are many others to mention too but i will need pages.. If anyone interested just contact me.. or leave your email..Hope to get an idea of what we want to make.. hehe dont know thought if that would benefit the internet community users as a whole..

JohnP

[johnp]

Where are all volunteers? Nowadays everyone expects to be paid for everything?

Come on.. i know that there are many of you out there.. Contact me for more info if you are not sure about something..

Thanks

[freelancr]

Its not that I expect to be paid, just I am very busy with work that puts food on my table. You have not proved yourself as a worthy charity, and you still won't reveal anything about your networks' target audience. Makes me suspicious that you might be starting something dodgy.

If you know how to code custom IRCd software, then surely you can customise an opensource CMS solution?

[roto]

Originally Posted by johnp

Where are all volunteers? Nowadays everyone expects to be paid for everything?

ffs, are you kidding?

You're not asking for Peace Corps volunteers. You are asking for someone to provide a SERVICE that (most of the time) they're compensated for. You're in a forum full -- well, somewhat full -- of talented designers, developers and programmers, etc. Shockingly, most GET PAID for what they do. Sorry for the mini-rant, but I'm sick of seeing threads like this where people like you -- who almost always disappear into the night -- ask for volunteers and free work for fucking pie-in-the-sky ideas that may never come to fruition. Either be prepared to pay for professional services or DON'T ASK PROFESSIONALS for help.

Ahem. Good luck with your search.

[jckpalmer]

Originally Posted by ®oto

ffs, are you kidding?

You're not asking for Peace Corps volunteers. You are asking for someone to provide a SERVICE that (most of the time) they're compensated for. You're in a forum full -- well, somewhat full -- of talented designers, developers and programmers, etc. Shockingly, most GET PAID for what they do. Sorry for the mini-rant, but I'm sick of seeing threads like this where people like you -- who almost always disappear into the night -- ask for volunteers and free work for fucking pie-in-the-sky ideas that may never come to fruition. Either be prepared to pay for professional services or DON'T ASK PROFESSIONALS for help.

Ahem. Good luck with your search.

WOAH!!! Well said!

I agree, I think that if your going to come into a site like this and ask for volunteers you need to have a very well rehearsed script ready!

I would want to see examples of you work, target audience and research, financial projections even sometimes accounts details and profit projections before I would take on a charitable project for free.

I do take on work for free sometimes, but I always do detailed research into the project and won't take on Volunteer work unless I KNOW the project is worth while.

You claimed you were a charity BUT further down the line you mention you are charging $200 per server PER MONTH! WOAH!

That's alot of money for a chat server and where's the charitable elements? Do you give you profits away or are they donated to your MD?

All seems very smelly to me and I'm WELL clear!

Good Luck finding help here unless you can provide sturdy PROOF you're genuine.

J

[rglover]

If anything, this would be a great project for someone looking to build up their skills with real-world practice. Similar concept to an internship. Just add it to your portfolio/resume.

[roto]

As expected, he's disappeared into the night...

[johnp]

I am here Roto.. but i am not going to reply to everyone having a different way of thinking of mine.. To understand what i am saying probably you must have some kind of relationship with irc.. if not you cant understand how that field works..

I said what we are doing.. how much we spend and all others.. If you dont want to believe then i cant do something.. I said you make the site, we host it and offer you then some kind of advertisment.. Dont like that way? Dont participate in that project.. its too simple and i am not going to change the mind of all of you..

Thanks..

[johnp]

Ohh and also.. Probably most of you never have participate in any open source/ free project to understand how it works.. and as that you find it so stranger.. As we are volunteers developing all other aspects of a project.. we expect to find another volunteer as we are, to make the site for the project.. However as i said i am not going to change your minds.. you believe its fake/wrong or whatever? is your right to believe that and i cant do something for it..

[Snowshiro]

I think the problem here is that its difficult to see the wood from the trees.

I think all of us benefit from and appreciate the concept of open source/free software (forums like this wouldn't exist otherwise), but the rather cagey approach of the request arouses suspicions about the exact nature of this project. I'm sure some of us have even worked on similar projects in the past. I've contributed to open source/free projects as far back as 1991, before most people had even heard of the term, but I would be reluctant to get involved here for the following reasons:

1.) "we have domains, we have logos but i am not gone give them in a public forum" - Why not exactly? You say you're running a free IRC project, but you don't want to give any specific details about it. Free software/Open source is an open concept. It encourages people to find out about it. This excuse sounds too much like "commercial confidentiality" to me.

2.) Regarding these "DDoS protected" servers that cost more than $200 a month each. It sounds like you (are planning to) have quite a few. So somewhere in this project, there is a lot of money changing hands. Where is it coming from and who is it going to?

3.) For me this is the killer, but it's purely a personal view: IRC simply doesn't interest me. For one, it's a dying technology. Sure a lot of people still use it, but to develop a new network now would be like investing in yesterday's technology. Secondly I've never been much into online chat (forums are more my style) so I don't have that connection or enthusiasm for it.

Anyway, those are a few of my views. Perhaps if you could address these kinds of issues you might have more luck in the future.