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tomson · 12-12-2003, 10:30

any one got any info on the legalities involved in the above? I'm after actual legal requirements and issues rather than someones take on it (which is all i seem to be able to find)

chars.

dan · 12-12-2003, 10:32

Don't know but apparently as of yesterday any company found spamming can be fined up to £5000 *Gulp*

tomson · 12-12-2003, 11:01

yep you're right, hence the question. I need to get up to speed with it before i suggest something that aint gonna be legal.

smallbeer · 12-12-2003, 11:11

I was reading an article yesterday on the BBC I think which said something along the lines of unsolicited spam can be sent to companies, but must have an opt-out clause inside it. Spam to consumers is banned.

tomson · 12-12-2003, 11:18

hmmm interesting... might have a look

Stickman · 12-12-2003, 11:20

If you want documentation, reports etc try the DTI:
http://www.dti.gov.uk/industries/ecommunications/

oli · 12-12-2003, 11:24

I dont think a £5 grand fines gonna put some people off :

http://www.freep.com/money/tech/mwend22_20021122.htm

Stickman · 12-12-2003, 11:26

Found this. It explains the UK's interpretation of the new EU directive in nice plain old english.

http://www.sprattendicott.co.uk/news...marketing.html

tomson · 12-12-2003, 11:32

Thanks old lady

Stickman · 12-12-2003, 11:38

I've still got it.

tomson · 12-12-2003, 11:40

the plastic hip?

Stickman · 12-12-2003, 11:47

Of course.

Old people are upgradable. Like robots.

dan · 12-12-2003, 13:24

From the research I've done on it in the past, a true double opt in needs to stamp a unique sode on the first request (for example via a web form) the email that is returned to the user must be stamped with this code and so must their return e-mail confirming the opt in...

Lot of work. I'll try to dig out the info that I found over the weekend

tomson · 14-12-2003, 15:29

cheers danny boy.

dan · 23-12-2003, 09:41

How did it go? I looked for my research but I seem to have lost it - or it got deleted

I've been looking back into stuff but am having real trouble finding the actual regulations. I have the EU Directive but remain unsure exactly which UK one implements this...

I've come up with around 3 + their comencement directives which all appear to address the issue. But I can find no info that will actually tell me what is what. The damn dti, IC, OFTEL etc sites are no bloomin help either... I think I know what the regs involve now, but I need hard proof for the boss.

+ I've not been able to findany details in regards to the state of current lists?

Opt-in by email is all well and good - you've got proof via headers and dates etc (unless you found out more) but what about a phonecall followup on an obtained email to confirm opt-in?

Which is the state of many of the lists we have...

+ do the self-employed count as buisness or indivduals (I'm thinking it's the latter from what I've said so far)

Yeah the directives etc mention nothing about stamping codes etc as far as I can see... I think it was just an overly cautious approach by someone. Probably worth looking into though if it is needed?

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tomson Christ on a bike Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311	mailing lists, double opt in and all that crap any one got any info on the legalities involved in the above? I'm after actual legal requirements and issues rather than someones take on it (which is all i seem to be able to find) chars.

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smallbeer I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™ Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,200	I was reading an article yesterday on the BBC I think which said something along the lines of unsolicited spam can be sent to companies, but must have an opt-out clause inside it. Spam to consumers is banned. __________________ That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.

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oli I Call Shenanigans™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester, England. Posts: 9,736	I dont think a £5 grand fines gonna put some people off : http://www.freep.com/money/tech/mwend22_20021122.htm __________________ Linked In :: Last.fm :: Twitter ..................

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12-12-2003, 10:32	#2 (permalink)
dan Iris Folder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: smokey Posts: 2,643	Don't know but apparently as of yesterday any company found spamming can be fined up to £5000 Gulp

12-12-2003, 11:01	#3 (permalink)
tomson Christ on a bike Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311	yep you're right, hence the question. I need to get up to speed with it before i suggest something that aint gonna be legal.

12-12-2003, 11:18	#5 (permalink)
tomson Christ on a bike Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311	hmmm interesting... might have a look

12-12-2003, 11:20	#6 (permalink)
Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,527	If you want documentation, reports etc try the DTI: http://www.dti.gov.uk/industries/ecommunications/

12-12-2003, 11:26	#8 (permalink)
Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,527	Found this. It explains the UK's interpretation of the new EU directive in nice plain old english. http://www.sprattendicott.co.uk/news...marketing.html

12-12-2003, 11:32	#9 (permalink)
tomson Christ on a bike Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311	Thanks old lady

12-12-2003, 11:38	#10 (permalink)
Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,527	I've still got it.

12-12-2003, 11:40	#11 (permalink)
tomson Christ on a bike Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311	the plastic hip?

12-12-2003, 11:47	#12 (permalink)
Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,527	Of course. Old people are upgradable. Like robots.

12-12-2003, 13:24	#13 (permalink)
dan Iris Folder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: smokey Posts: 2,643	From the research I've done on it in the past, a true double opt in needs to stamp a unique sode on the first request (for example via a web form) the email that is returned to the user must be stamped with this code and so must their return e-mail confirming the opt in... Lot of work. I'll try to dig out the info that I found over the weekend

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14-12-2003, 15:29	#14 (permalink)
tomson Christ on a bike Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311	cheers danny boy.

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dan Iris Folder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: smokey Posts: 2,643	How did it go? I looked for my research but I seem to have lost it - or it got deleted I've been looking back into stuff but am having real trouble finding the actual regulations. I have the EU Directive but remain unsure exactly which UK one implements this... I've come up with around 3 + their comencement directives which all appear to address the issue. But I can find no info that will actually tell me what is what. The damn dti, IC, OFTEL etc sites are no bloomin help either... I think I know what the regs involve now, but I need hard proof for the boss. + I've not been able to findany details in regards to the state of current lists? Opt-in by email is all well and good - you've got proof via headers and dates etc (unless you found out more) but what about a phonecall followup on an obtained email to confirm opt-in? Which is the state of many of the lists we have... + do the self-employed count as buisness or indivduals (I'm thinking it's the latter from what I've said so far) Yeah the directives etc mention nothing about stamping codes etc as far as I can see... I think it was just an overly cautious approach by someone. Probably worth looking into though if it is needed?