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samuelcotterall · 02-10-2006, 06:29

I use an IBM ThinkPad. The only requirement for university was Windows XP or 2000, and in December the Apple line hadn't switched to Intel. Sadly, I have been craving a Mac since, they now run Windows, and I haven't touched .NET since I bought it.

What I'm saying is that if you study Web Development (as I am) or Computer Science you will probably end up having to work with Microsoft .NET (We have a hundred iMacs and eMacs on the next floor, but we use Pentium 4's...) but now you can pick up a MacBook, install Linux and Windows, and you wont have any problems.

Dusteh · 02-10-2006, 09:04

they now [emulate] windows, I'm not sure how fast they run it.. but then I guess for programming that doesn't matter.

pgo · 02-10-2006, 10:41

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Originally Posted by cw_w3dgk

I can see the apeal of a Mac, I used them all through education, but I'm a bit of a DIY'er and you can't do that with Macs. My desktop PC is like a hammer with 3 new heads and 2 new handles. It just gets upgraded a bit at a time and 'evolves' into something I'm usually very happy with.

Yeah.

for nerdery.

d*d · 02-10-2006, 10:48

The biggest problem with using a Mac for web design and the reason i have a PC to code up all my sites (I design them on a Mac- OSx is much a much better UI at the moment) is that you will need to test what sites look like an a PC

pgo · 02-10-2006, 10:55

I honestly don't understand why people like the OSX UI so much. I don't like the way it browses hierarchical

And besides, design software (PS, Illus., InDesign, etc) has the exact same UI on both OSes (except for some minor aesthetic differences)...as far as I've seen...anywho. I prefer the taskbar/Quick Launch to the dock/finder any day.

Transmogrify · 02-10-2006, 10:58

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Originally Posted by pgo

I honestly don't understand why people like the OSX UI so much. I don't like the way it browses hierarchical

And besides, design software (PS, Illus., InDesign, etc) has the exact same UI on both OSes (except for some minor aesthetic differences)...as far as I've seen...anywho. I prefer the taskbar/Quick Launch to the dock/finder any day.

Each to their own at the end of the day.. I've got used to the OSX interface and I really like it a lot. Going back to Windows having used it a handful of times in the last 10 months, I find it very archaic and a lot of the time it doesn't make sense.

Dusteh · 02-10-2006, 11:05

I still think having a 'start' button is mental, as its the place you have to go to stop the PC.

d*d · 02-10-2006, 11:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgo

I honestly don't understand why people like the OSX UI so much. I don't like the way it browses hierarchical

I've got used to the features it has, specifically the way you can zoom out to view all open windows on all apps running (or just the one you are currently using) and click the screen you want to work on. The search function is quicker - overall it's a more pleasant experience Windows is just showing it's age, it's like comparing an xbox with a snes

Sideshow Bob · 02-10-2006, 11:21

Ah the old Mac vs PC debate, will it ever die

Now we have Intel Macs that do a good job of emulating PCs I guess not being able to run PC software is no longer a great argument, however where cost is an issue then a pc is the best choice.

I use my XP laptop to demo sites to clients as I can use the built in web server to handle asp stuff and xampp for the php stuff.
Sure I could upload it to a test server but what if your meeting is in a pub (my meeting place of choice

)

My laptop cost about £200 so I don't mind the odd beer splash, how about your Intel Macbook ??

Dusteh · 02-10-2006, 11:32

Lets not forget that PCs have been emulating OS X for longer.

Alexanda · 02-10-2006, 11:46

I heard they are both over rated

pgo · 02-10-2006, 13:17

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Originally Posted by d*d

Windows is just showing it's age, it's like comparing an xbox with a snes

Fair enough.

I don't know about the OSX search function. I rarely use search functions at all because I'm so damned good at organizing my files.

bomski · 02-10-2006, 17:53

There are a lot of comments here both for and against the use of Macs and PC's.....

I have been a long time user of both Windows, Mac and Linux (and still am!).... all have their pros and cons.... i guess there are three things that it boils down to:

1). REQUIREMENTS -
what is the system for; how much perfomance is required...

2). BUDGET -
£40k Mac Pro video editing system; £600 laptop for portability and terminal services...

3). LONGEVITY -
notebooks and laptops have a short lifespan when compared to a desktop system...

I've used a substantial variety of systems in my time; but i couldn't pick one system that does it all...

If you're planning on purchasing a new system, assess the three criteria above, read up on both features and flaws of prospective machines (if i knew my MacBook Pro would get hot enough to cook eggs, i might have thought twice!!) demo the systems if you can, ... and above all enjoy your new tool!!!

cozza · 03-10-2006, 11:48

I must say I love my Powerbook but it's invaluable to be able to test web pages on Internet Explorer 6 (and 7 soon) so if you don't fancy insalling a PC emulator (or shelling out for an 'expensive PC'), PC's are the best choice. In terms of coding/graphics there's nothing between the two, other than different OS's which is a personal preference.

dtrenz · 03-10-2006, 12:27

although, new versions of OS X will ship with bootcamp, right? so no pc-emulator installation required.

tomson · 03-10-2006, 12:30

I use a mac cos i'm mint. One thing that pisses me off on a pc is the way it ignores colour profiles. Fucking annoying.

bomski · 04-10-2006, 03:58

my trials of Boot Camp have been vaired to say the least....

if you're looking for OS emulation on a mac please look at http://www.parallels.com/....

their software supports many OS's that Boot Camp doesn't....

Bomski

(PS - be wary of running Windows Vista Release Candidates on your mac; there have been unconfirmed reports of Vista causing MacBook Pros to significantly overheat to the point of hardware failure)

theantidote · 08-10-2006, 17:22

I've just recently switched to a Mac and frankly it works well enough for design. Unfortunately Photoshop is way too slow for me under Rosetta so I use my old PC for Photoshop work. For programming the Mac is fine, Smultron is my favorite text editor for it, and because of its BSD core I can use it as an Apache server for testing, but I've already designated my old PC for that job.

Frankly I'm more productive on the Mac because there are less distractions for me. I don't have any games that could distract me, and trust me I lack the self control to resist them otherwise. Really it's a matter of preference. If you liked your old Mac then you'll like your new one. It's simple.

transparent_opacity · 08-10-2006, 18:46

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Originally Posted by theantidote

...there are less distractions for me. I don't have any games that could distract me..

Solitaire isn't that good!

deadgood · 11-10-2006, 09:31

aah bollox to it all. get both!

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02-10-2006, 06:29	#41 (permalink)
samuelcotterall Interactionist Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Manchester Posts: 174	I use an IBM ThinkPad. The only requirement for university was Windows XP or 2000, and in December the Apple line hadn't switched to Intel. Sadly, I have been craving a Mac since, they now run Windows, and I haven't touched .NET since I bought it. What I'm saying is that if you study Web Development (as I am) or Computer Science you will probably end up having to work with Microsoft .NET (We have a hundred iMacs and eMacs on the next floor, but we use Pentium 4's...) but now you can pick up a MacBook, install Linux and Windows, and you wont have any problems.

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Dusteh Sir digby chicken caesar Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,051	they now [emulate] windows, I'm not sure how fast they run it.. but then I guess for programming that doesn't matter.

02-10-2006, 10:48	#44 (permalink)
d*d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,060	The biggest problem with using a Mac for web design and the reason i have a PC to code up all my sites (I design them on a Mac- OSx is much a much better UI at the moment) is that you will need to test what sites look like an a PC

02-10-2006, 10:55	#45 (permalink)
pgo i'm done, son Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,262	I honestly don't understand why people like the OSX UI so much. I don't like the way it browses hierarchical And besides, design software (PS, Illus., InDesign, etc) has the exact same UI on both OSes (except for some minor aesthetic differences)...as far as I've seen...anywho. I prefer the taskbar/Quick Launch to the dock/finder any day.

02-10-2006, 11:05	#47 (permalink)
Dusteh Sir digby chicken caesar Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,051	I still think having a 'start' button is mental, as its the place you have to go to stop the PC.

02-10-2006, 11:21	#49 (permalink)
Sideshow Bob Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 11	Ah the old Mac vs PC debate, will it ever die Now we have Intel Macs that do a good job of emulating PCs I guess not being able to run PC software is no longer a great argument, however where cost is an issue then a pc is the best choice. I use my XP laptop to demo sites to clients as I can use the built in web server to handle asp stuff and xampp for the php stuff. Sure I could upload it to a test server but what if your meeting is in a pub (my meeting place of choice ) My laptop cost about £200 so I don't mind the odd beer splash, how about your Intel Macbook ??

02-10-2006, 11:32	#50 (permalink)
Dusteh Sir digby chicken caesar Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,051	Lets not forget that PCs have been emulating OS X for longer.

02-10-2006, 17:53	#53 (permalink)
bomski Designery Boy! Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 18	There are a lot of comments here both for and against the use of Macs and PC's..... I have been a long time user of both Windows, Mac and Linux (and still am!).... all have their pros and cons.... i guess there are three things that it boils down to: 1). REQUIREMENTS - what is the system for; how much perfomance is required... 2). BUDGET - £40k Mac Pro video editing system; £600 laptop for portability and terminal services... 3). LONGEVITY - notebooks and laptops have a short lifespan when compared to a desktop system... I've used a substantial variety of systems in my time; but i couldn't pick one system that does it all... If you're planning on purchasing a new system, assess the three criteria above, read up on both features and flaws of prospective machines (if i knew my MacBook Pro would get hot enough to cook eggs, i might have thought twice!!) demo the systems if you can, ... and above all enjoy your new tool!!!

03-10-2006, 11:48	#54 (permalink)
cozza Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 5	I must say I love my Powerbook but it's invaluable to be able to test web pages on Internet Explorer 6 (and 7 soon) so if you don't fancy insalling a PC emulator (or shelling out for an 'expensive PC'), PC's are the best choice. In terms of coding/graphics there's nothing between the two, other than different OS's which is a personal preference.

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dtrenz blam blam Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ann arbor, mi usa Posts: 525	although, new versions of OS X will ship with bootcamp, right? so no pc-emulator installation required.

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tomson hairball Join Date: May 2003 Location: London Posts: 3,158	I use a mac cos i'm mint. One thing that pisses me off on a pc is the way it ignores colour profiles. Fucking annoying.

04-10-2006, 03:58	#57 (permalink)
bomski Designery Boy! Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 18	my trials of Boot Camp have been vaired to say the least.... if you're looking for OS emulation on a mac please look at http://www.parallels.com/.... their software supports many OS's that Boot Camp doesn't.... Bomski (PS - be wary of running Windows Vista Release Candidates on your mac; there have been unconfirmed reports of Vista causing MacBook Pros to significantly overheat to the point of hardware failure)

08-10-2006, 17:22	#58 (permalink)
theantidote can't draw but can code Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 109	I've just recently switched to a Mac and frankly it works well enough for design. Unfortunately Photoshop is way too slow for me under Rosetta so I use my old PC for Photoshop work. For programming the Mac is fine, Smultron is my favorite text editor for it, and because of its BSD core I can use it as an Apache server for testing, but I've already designated my old PC for that job. Frankly I'm more productive on the Mac because there are less distractions for me. I don't have any games that could distract me, and trust me I lack the self control to resist them otherwise. Really it's a matter of preference. If you liked your old Mac then you'll like your new one. It's simple.

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deadgood kiss ma baaad self Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 61	aah bollox to it all. get both!

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