[Transmogrify]

Originally Posted by pgo

Anyway, just for the sake of balance:

"It just works - all the time." So does Windows.

"It doesn't start to slow down after 3 months." Neither does Windows. My current install is going 1 year or so with no slow down that I've noticed.

"Software doesn't crash." Neither does any of my Windows software. The only thing I've had crash is Firefox due to shitty websites. And QuickTime when I used that piece of trash.

"Software available for the kind of development I do is far superior than what is available for Windows." There's more software available for Windows - bar none. Not sure where this one's going? TextMate? Dreamweaver?

"I don't have viruses or spyware to content with." Neither do I. No viruses or spyware that I can remember in the last two years.

Well I was talking about my experiences and I've experienced everything I said! And not just me, most people I know who run a Windows machine.

And yes, there's far more software available for Windows - however, most of it is shite. The only two pieces of software on my powerbook which don't work reliably are MSN Messenger and MS Office. Imagine.

Textmate is an incredible text editor (although it's handling of large files needs a bit of work).

Dtrenz - Textmate, and a recent find - SubEthaEdit (http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/)

[Dusteh]

If your windows is slowing down, you are most likely riddled with spyware. Running Spybot is not good enough to keep a PC running smoothly.

Macs do not have leocad. I rest my case

[bender]

Originally Posted by Transmogrify

Well I was talking about my experiences and I've experienced everything I said! And not just me, most people I know who run a Windows machine.

And yes, there's far more software available for Windows - however, most of it is shite. The only two pieces of software on my powerbook which don't work reliably are MSN Messenger and MS Office. Imagine.

Let's put it this way. If you are riddled with spyware and viruses then mac is a good choice for you for now. But if it gains market share more than the current 5% then people will start writing crap for it too. And you are in trouble again.
You have to face it that in the end the problem is not in the OS, it's you. Don't surf obscure sites and don't install random shit from the web. Simple as that.
Security holes get patched from OSX monthly too, the difference is that there is no software for you to install that takes advantage of them. As long as you are allowed to install software on your computer you will be in trouble.

edit: As an example, my XP has been running for over a year now, as long as I've had this computer. It's on 24/7 and has never crashed on me. I only shut it down when I install new hardware.
It's easy to use a seven year old pentium piece of crap and then marvel at how well a $1700 brand spanking new mac runs. It just works!

[riat_sila]

For me I chose to use a Mac for several reasons, obviously there was the fact that the Powerbook G4 (I'm not getting a MacBook Pro till the 2nd gen..you all know why) looks pretty, and with OS X I don't have to screw around with theme hacks to get rid of the eye-bleeding XP themes

Also there are some useful parts to a Mac that I found improve my workflow. Firstly there's Expose, which makes it so much easier to navigate around my workspace - rather than having to hit alt-tab a million times or spend time looking at the taskbar. It's also a good way of comparing design versions when all the windows fly out.

OS X is reasonably stable, depending on how much third-party software you install on there apart from that there's no problems and I personally find it faster than XP. Obviously with Vista we've got some competition, but then we've got 10.5 coming and I guess we're about due for a new OS altogether from Apple soonish...

[dtrenz]

http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-6046197.html

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac3...der_7_minutes/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mac+exploit

[ubay25]

Absolutely no difference if it's a Mac or PC. Web designing doesn't require you to have powerful hardware components. Worry about other else but not this.
I suggest, you buy two PCs/Macs, 1 for web designing and one for the porn and obscure sites. ahihihihi

[bender]

Oh you can still surf obscure sites if you got 'the skillz'. A person struggling with spyware and viruses obviously hasn't got any.

[riat_sila]

Yeah, just buy that great HistoryTracker program in all the popups - then not even your loved ones will see your porn...

[Keir]

First I'd like to point out that I own both a mac and a windows machine.

Personally I prefer to design using windows for two reasons.

1 - The mouse. I don't know what it is about the way MacOS X handles the mouse but it feels so much more sluggish yet jumpy than the way it feels when using Windows. Its slow at maximum speed and yes I know of the utilities that allow you to increase cursor speed but it feels even more wrong compared to using the mouse on windows where it basically goes where I want it to go and I don't have to keep making minor movements with the mouse in order to get the cursor over a button.

2 - Shortcuts. For example. In Photoshop, to change the image size its Alt I I in quick succession. On the mac you'd have to dislocate Approximately 3 fingers in order to achieve the same result. Dreamweaver. Insert horizontal rule. Alt I H Z om quick succession. Again, the same result on the mac is another overly complicated awkward key combination. I know most of the shortcuts and way's to navigate menu's quickly in all of the applications I use and it does affect the speed with which I work massively.

[webdesignindia]

Hey as almost whole uses PC as a web design platform, why one should go for MAC

[Transmogrify]

jesus.. you cunts don't give up do you?

[dSlifer]

Originally Posted by dtrenz

why not get an intel core duo mac and run OSX and Windows XP (via bootcamp).

then you can code, design, and test on both, no?

-d (vaio user)

I agree, normally I'm on the Microsoft standings, and I still am, I just now promote getting the Mac because it can dual-boot XP and Vista, so you can use your nice looking Mac for something practical. Web Designing is really dipping into both worlds, graphics side and programming side, and since Windows or Linux is the best for programming, and Macs are best for graphics, just go for the dual-boot method, you'll be set!

[Keir]

lol i'm not so much fussed about how a machine looks as to how it works

[pedge]

I'm running a Mac Pro with Windows XP running on 'Parallels' which lets you rund Windows at the same time as OSX; Bootcamp requires you to boot into windows or osx, you can't run both at the same time.

I find it really handy for checking websites and I can also run some printer spooler software on XP which I didn't have access to on OSX.

You can run Windows in a separate window or - if you have two screens like I do - you can have Windows running in one and OSX in t'other.

If you can go for an Intel mac and run the two operating systems at the same time then it means you don't have to have two machines taking up space...

http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/

[Transmogrify]

Originally Posted by dSlifer

Web Designing is really dipping into both worlds, graphics side and programming side, and since Windows or Linux is the best for programming, and Macs are best for graphics, just go for the dual-boot method, you'll be set!

Oh yeah? Why is Windows or Linux better than a Mac for programming and why are Macs best for graphics?

[top_buzz]

Originally Posted by pedge

I'm running a Mac Pro with Windows XP running on 'Parallels' which lets you rund Windows at the same time as OSX; Bootcamp requires you to boot into windows or osx, you can't run both at the same time.

I find it really handy for checking websites and I can also run some printer spooler software on XP which I didn't have access to on OSX.

You can run Windows in a separate window or - if you have two screens like I do - you can have Windows running in one and OSX in t'other.

If you can go for an Intel mac and run the two operating systems at the same time then it means you don't have to have two machines taking up space...

http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/

How does that run? I imagine its real slow.

[pedge]

Originally Posted by top_buzz

How does that run? I imagine its real slow.

Nope, it runs quite quickly - nowhere near as slow as Virtual PC. Its because the new Macs are Intel based it can run really quickly. Its still got issues with some USB products (drivers mainly) but its fast enough to run most apps on (apart from games at the mo)...

Enter Parallels Desktop for Mac, an OS X solution for running “guest” operating systems within OS X. Parallels utilizes the Intel chip’s hardware virtualization technology (VT). Although that’s a mouthful of buzzwords, what it means is simple: VT lets an Intel CPU act as if it were several distinct CPUs, which in turn enables guest operating systems to run much faster.

Even using applications that perform very complex computations, like Photoshop CS2, you’ll see good results. I applied a complex mesh image filter to the same image on the Core Duo mini in three different environments: in OS X (running CS2 via Rosetta, since Photoshop is not yet a Universal Binary application), in Windows XP under Parallels, and in Windows XP running natively via Boot Camp. As you might guess, the Boot Camp XP machine was the fastest, taking 36 seconds to apply the filter. Close behind it, though, was the Parallels XP machine, at 44 seconds—only eight seconds slower. Trailing badly, at 77 seconds, was Photoshop in Rosetta on OS X. So for now, if you are a Photoshop power user with an Intel Mac, you may be better off running it in Windows on your Mac, either via Parallels or Boot Camp. Of course, you’ll need to own a second copy of Photoshop to take advantage of the additional speed.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/06/revi...lels/index.php

You can run other operating systems on it too apparently...

[top_buzz]

Shit, sounds pretty good Didn't realise it'd be that quick.

[transparent_opacity]

I can see the apeal of a Mac, I used them all through education, but I'm a bit of a DIY'er and you can't do that with Macs. My desktop PC is like a hammer with 3 new heads and 2 new handles. It just gets upgraded a bit at a time and 'evolves' into something I'm usually very happy with.

[pinksage]

Well, I got a Pc Notebook and I will get a Macbook next generation.

I had software crash on me on my Mac, so i dont know why people say it never crashes.