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oli · 10-04-2003, 07:24

I think its time I started to learn it, so has anyone got any good links/resources for learning to build sites in xhtml/css.
Much appreciated.

Stickman · 10-04-2003, 08:20

When you're just starting with css, this is great as an offline reference. Download it now and then you can use it easily while you're experimenting:
http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/css.zip (windows)

http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/css/

http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/boxes.html

http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html

http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/

http://www.mako4css.com/

http://css.nu/

oli · 10-04-2003, 08:35

Thats great, cheers m8y

vickygale · 10-04-2003, 10:19

For example code of typical layouts see:

http://www.glish.com

If you're after a book on CSS, I can recommend Cascading Style Sheets: Seperating Content From Presentation by Owen Briggs, Steven Champeon, Eric Costello and Matt Patterson (publisher Glasshaus).

Luke Redpath · 10-04-2003, 10:33

www.alistapart.com is an excellent resource.

smallbeer · 11-04-2003, 04:06

A couple of good books...

[b:0381fac43c]Designing CSS Web Pages - [/b:0381fac43c] http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712638/

Doesn't go to much into explaing the syntax so maybe not for an absolute beginner on the subject but is very design orientated - trying to give the reader a feel for design and explaing why seperating the presentation from the content is so important.

[b:0381fac43c]CSS 2.0 Reference - [/b:0381fac43c]http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072131780/

Definitely more of a syntax guide but and excellent resource

Also check out - http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp and http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp

Jamie

SagaLout · 11-04-2003, 07:30

All good advice.

I'd also recommend that you use Topstyle Pro 3 for coding your xhtml and CSS. It pisses all over DWMX. In fact I havent even fired DW up over the last few weeks.

oli · 11-04-2003, 07:42

Thanks for all the advice.
I cant really afford another program at the mo so Im stuck with dreamweaver for the time being. Ill definately take a look later tho.

SagaLout · 11-04-2003, 07:55

You can get the lite version for free, the full program is about $50.

oli · 11-04-2003, 08:10

hmm, I found it but when I downloaded it was a 2.9 k .exe file that did nothing!

I have found the demo of the pro version on another site so Ill give that a go. If anyone else wants it you can get it here - http://www.globalshareware.com/Web-Developer/HTML-Editors/TopStyle-Pro-3-0-download.htm

SagaLout · 11-04-2003, 08:42

It really is fantastic. Just press F12 and you see your site split screen with IE and NS. Type in divs etc and they appear in the preview window accurately (as its actually using the proper broser engine, rather than Dreamweaver own version with is really crap at renderring CSS layouts)

Press the Validate button and it connects to the w3c validator etc.

Dont know how I lived without it!

Bill Posters · 11-04-2003, 12:55

It does sound rather natty, but buggered if I'm gonna be buying a pc just for that.

Any idea if there's a Mac version planned?

I use BBEdit which is fine for the code (probably as handy as TS in that regard), but I really like the sound of that split preview bit in TS.

smallbeer · 13-04-2003, 09:17

[quote:78602cec54="Bill Posters"]Any idea if there's a Mac version planned?
[/quote:78602cec54]

http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/faq/answer.asp?id=28

Last updated 1999 but it doesn't look like they've changed their mind in the mean time.

smallbeer · 14-04-2003, 10:05

Just noticed that Westciv are running a free CSS2 course.

http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html

It's on week 2 already but week 1 is still up.

desiwiki · 19-06-2006, 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by oli

I think its time I started to learn it, so has anyone got any good links/resources for learning to build sites in xhtml/css.
Much appreciated.

i am new to web design, i am very much intrested in learning this, how can i start this. please help me, thank u

Red Cap · 19-06-2006, 03:46

Alot of newbies miss the point of CSS design. This is an excellent article that clears up many of the misconceptions

http://www.contentwithstyle.co.uk/Ar...-is-worthless/

Limbo · 19-06-2006, 04:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by desiwiki

i am new to web design, i am very much intrested in learning this, how can i start this. please help me, thank u

Read the posts above numbnuts!

finbarr · 19-06-2006, 04:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limbo

Read the posts above numbnuts!

yeah and welcome from me too!

Dusteh · 19-06-2006, 05:29

meatspin rating of 5 for reviving a 3 year old thread!

kane · 24-09-2006, 14:11

Whoa, thanks for all the links, i think their really going to help me in my 1st step to getting to know xhtml & css, so i am same a big thank you.

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smallbeer I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™ Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,236	A couple of good books... [b:0381fac43c]Designing CSS Web Pages - [/b:0381fac43c] http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735712638/ Doesn't go to much into explaing the syntax so maybe not for an absolute beginner on the subject but is very design orientated - trying to give the reader a feel for design and explaing why seperating the presentation from the content is so important. [b:0381fac43c]CSS 2.0 Reference - [/b:0381fac43c]http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072131780/ Definitely more of a syntax guide but and excellent resource Also check out - http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp and http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/default.asp Jamie __________________ That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.

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oli Free Ring Ding™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,533	Thanks for all the advice. I cant really afford another program at the mo so Im stuck with dreamweaver for the time being. Ill definately take a look later tho. __________________ ..................

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Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,632	When you're just starting with css, this is great as an offline reference. Download it now and then you can use it easily while you're experimenting: http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/css.zip (windows) http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/css/ http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/boxes.html http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html http://www.nypl.org/styleguide/ http://www.mako4css.com/ http://css.nu/

10-04-2003, 10:19	#4 (permalink)
vickygale Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 40	For example code of typical layouts see: http://www.glish.com If you're after a book on CSS, I can recommend Cascading Style Sheets: Seperating Content From Presentation by Owen Briggs, Steven Champeon, Eric Costello and Matt Patterson (publisher Glasshaus).

11-04-2003, 07:30	#7 (permalink)
SagaLout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 144	All good advice. I'd also recommend that you use Topstyle Pro 3 for coding your xhtml and CSS. It pisses all over DWMX. In fact I havent even fired DW up over the last few weeks.

11-04-2003, 07:55	#9 (permalink)
SagaLout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 144	You can get the lite version for free, the full program is about $50.

11-04-2003, 08:10	#10 (permalink)
oli Free Ring Ding™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,533	hmm, I found it but when I downloaded it was a 2.9 k .exe file that did nothing! I have found the demo of the pro version on another site so Ill give that a go. If anyone else wants it you can get it here - http://www.globalshareware.com/Web-Developer/HTML-Editors/TopStyle-Pro-3-0-download.htm __________________ ..................

11-04-2003, 08:42	#11 (permalink)
SagaLout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 144	It really is fantastic. Just press F12 and you see your site split screen with IE and NS. Type in divs etc and they appear in the preview window accurately (as its actually using the proper broser engine, rather than Dreamweaver own version with is really crap at renderring CSS layouts) Press the Validate button and it connects to the w3c validator etc. Dont know how I lived without it!

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Bill Posters trouble free and loverlee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: YooKay Posts: 2,893	It does sound rather natty, but buggered if I'm gonna be buying a pc just for that. Any idea if there's a Mac version planned? I use BBEdit which is fine for the code (probably as handy as TS in that regard), but I really like the sound of that split preview bit in TS.

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smallbeer I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™ Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,236	[quote:78602cec54="Bill Posters"]Any idea if there's a Mac version planned? [/quote:78602cec54] http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/faq/answer.asp?id=28 Last updated 1999 but it doesn't look like they've changed their mind in the mean time. __________________ That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.

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smallbeer I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™ Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,236	Just noticed that Westciv are running a free CSS2 course. http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html It's on week 2 already but week 1 is still up. __________________ That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.

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Red Cap senior member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: auckland, nz Posts: 274	Alot of newbies miss the point of CSS design. This is an excellent article that clears up many of the misconceptions http://www.contentwithstyle.co.uk/Ar...-is-worthless/

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Dusteh Sir digby chicken caesar Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,047	meatspin rating of 5 for reviving a 3 year old thread!

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kane :) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Uk Posts: 10	Whoa, thanks for all the links, i think their really going to help me in my 1st step to getting to know xhtml & css, so i am same a big thank you.

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