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gray · 12-10-2005, 09:00

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Originally Posted by briljant oranje

Carson 3:15

haha.

stickmus · 13-10-2005, 12:55

http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/arch...trepreneurship

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The Designer’s Talk board is out of control, and I found their comments distressing. It would appear these are people who don’t have much professional experience beyond the occasional freelance project, and have no idea the cost of something mid to large scale. These are the people that perpetuate the idea of cheap, hosted by geocities, bevel and emboss nav, sites.

sub · 13-10-2005, 13:01

Quality.

gray · 13-10-2005, 13:01

thats us told.

Brown · 13-10-2005, 13:07

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These are the people that perpetuate the idea of cheap, hosted by geocities, bevel and emboss nav, sites.

from the creators of this: http://www.resistmedia.net/

what a bellend.

briljant oranje · 13-10-2005, 13:17

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These are the people that perpetuate the idea of cheap, hosted by geocities, bevel and emboss nav, sites.

seriously.

i was gonna photoshop the 'chump' to 'cunt' and bevel and emboss it, but i can't be arsed

gray · 13-10-2005, 13:27

better get rid of my geocites and bevels and get myself a buddy icon
and a blog so people can massage my ego

sigh we could go on, but i have sites in frames to make for my dads company

jase1000 · 13-10-2005, 14:56

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I don’t care what any of those people think.

Denial, the best way to deal with criticism.

briljant oranje · 13-10-2005, 15:13

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Originally Posted by jase1000

Denial, the best way to deal with criticism.

you sure ?

Stickman · 14-10-2005, 06:01

Go Pat.

http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/arch...trepreneurship

Mik · 14-10-2005, 06:15

I’m a little depressed that faceless designers in the UK think I’m ugly and weak. But I’m relying in my overconfidence in my design abilities to get me through it.

oops oh dear. who said that

cam · 14-10-2005, 06:15

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The Designer’s Talk board is out of control, and I found their comments distressing. It would appear these are people who don’t have much professional experience beyond the occasional freelance project, and have no idea the cost of something mid to large scale. These are the people that perpetuate the idea of cheap, hosted by geocities, bevel and emboss nav, sites.

Nothing like making assumptions in public to make yourself look like an idiot.

As for blueflavor, I happen to agree with a lot of the criticism raised by menace (he did make some valid points amongst all the flirting with pgo) but given that I respect Keith Robinson after reading his blog semi-frequently for the past two years or so, I've no doubt that the company does actually have something worthwhile to offer it's clients.

The $2,000 "per page" review is perhaps an ill-judged attempt to distinguish that particular service from a full site redesign, as mentioned in the paragraph previous. I don't really agree with a fixed-pricing structure - as the amount of work they actually do will vary greatly depending on the client, nor working on a per-page/category basis when it comes to the web, but it's their company and their call.

If a client of ours contracted a company such as blueflavor to review our work, I'd perhaps be a little upset that they felt it was required, but at the end of the day I'm big enough to get over myself and accept any criticism or feedback returned, and also to defend my work against the potential blagging mentioned earlier in this thread.

Dusteh · 14-10-2005, 09:12

The irony of knocking a forum thread for being too critical and harsh, by being critical and harsh about said forum posters work.

POT ... KETTLE

Perhaps Beth should stay away from internet communities, or just stick to the soft cuddly ones.

Asterisk · 14-10-2005, 12:57

Hey, so this is Keith Robinson. One of the ugly and weak.

Just want to be clear. The comments about your board here weren't made by me. They were people commenting on my site. I do agree with some of what was said, but, hey you're all more than welcome to your opinion and to be critical. It's a two way street, aint it? If you can dish it, you've got to be able to take it. Anyway, that's not why I stopped in...

Let me tell you something about our pricing, just to put it into perspective. That $2,000 per page thing is a good way to hook somebody. It's nothing new. Lots of people use that. You do a little bit of work and hopefully they hire you to do the whole thing. Does it work for most clients? No. But it works for that IT manager who's got $2,500 to spend and wants to convince his boss to give him more. If you have an inhouse guy like Cam up there, you'd probably not go for it...

And regardless, we've only been in business two weeks and are up to our ears. So I guess we're doing something right.

Anyway, it's been entertaining.

datahound · 14-10-2005, 13:00

Ha ha so much hot air, good on you.

Supply and demand, if you can get away with it why not.

(as long as no children or animals are harmed obviously)

jase1000 · 14-10-2005, 13:11

Good luck to you. A lot of what is said on here should be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

pat · 14-10-2005, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Stickman

Go Pat.

http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/arch...trepreneurship

thought i'd do my bit

Arsehold · 14-10-2005, 16:17

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Originally Posted by pgo

Too bad their client list is far superior to anyone on this site and they aren't about graphic design or "visual stimulation"...

http://blueflavor.com/clients/client_list.php

Put up or shut up.

If you don't like them, the way they work, anything - then beat them at their own game. If you think they're full of shit, then call up Microsoft, IBM, Bank of America, or any of their other clients and tell them so - and why you can do a better job. Bitching and complaining like a fucking 4 year old isn't going to get you anywhere.

Bunch of whiny, jealous bitches.

Not me. I'm just waiting for my sites to show up in MoMA.

Argh...

Arsehold · 14-10-2005, 16:42

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Originally Posted by pgo

Too bad their client list is far superior to anyone on this site and they aren't about graphic design or "visual stimulation"...

http://blueflavor.com/clients/client_list.php

Put up or shut up.

If you don't like them, the way they work, anything - then beat them at their own game. If you think they're full of shit, then call up Microsoft, IBM, Bank of America, or any of their other clients and tell them so - and why you can do a better job. Bitching and complaining like a fucking 4 year old isn't going to get you anywhere.

Bunch of whiny, jealous bitches.

Not me. I'm just waiting for my sites to show up in MoMA.

Argh...

A little peeking around the web at the track record for these wankers reveals more billows of hot air. Brian Fling's bio for example has one story, yet if you hit the wayback machine @ www.archive.org, you get an entirely different story posted one year ago. On Blueflavor, he's been working in the web for 10 years, yet on his own business site (easily reached by google), in 2004 he was celebrating his 5 year aniversary. Small details, but the stories don't match.

I call bullshit!

Nick Finck doesnt even have a portfolio up. Matt May isn't a designer. The only person with any discernable experience is Keith Robinson, who as far as I can tell writes a lot.

Obviously these blokes have copied http://www.clearleft.com/ in more ways than one.

Transmogrify · 14-10-2005, 21:26

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The Designer’s Talk board is out of control, and I found their comments distressing. It would appear these are people who don’t have much professional experience beyond the occasional freelance project, and have no idea the cost of something mid to large scale. These are the people that perpetuate the idea of cheap, hosted by geocities, bevel and emboss nav, sites.

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13-10-2005, 13:01	#63 (permalink)
sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,834	Quality.

13-10-2005, 13:01	#64 (permalink)
gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,836	thats us told.

13-10-2005, 13:27	#67 (permalink)
gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,836	better get rid of my geocites and bevels and get myself a buddy icon and a blog so people can massage my ego sigh we could go on, but i have sites in frames to make for my dads company

14-10-2005, 06:01	#70 (permalink)
Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,572	Go Pat. http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/arch...trepreneurship

14-10-2005, 06:15	#71 (permalink)
Mik Magazines™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glasgow.. Posts: 11,861	I’m a little depressed that faceless designers in the UK think I’m ugly and weak. But I’m relying in my overconfidence in my design abilities to get me through it. oops oh dear. who said that

14-10-2005, 09:12	#73 (permalink)
Dusteh Sir digby chicken caesar Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,382	The irony of knocking a forum thread for being too critical and harsh, by being critical and harsh about said forum posters work. POT ... KETTLE Perhaps Beth should stay away from internet communities, or just stick to the soft cuddly ones.

14-10-2005, 12:57	#74 (permalink)
Asterisk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3	Hey, so this is Keith Robinson. One of the ugly and weak. Just want to be clear. The comments about your board here weren't made by me. They were people commenting on my site. I do agree with some of what was said, but, hey you're all more than welcome to your opinion and to be critical. It's a two way street, aint it? If you can dish it, you've got to be able to take it. Anyway, that's not why I stopped in... Let me tell you something about our pricing, just to put it into perspective. That $2,000 per page thing is a good way to hook somebody. It's nothing new. Lots of people use that. You do a little bit of work and hopefully they hire you to do the whole thing. Does it work for most clients? No. But it works for that IT manager who's got $2,500 to spend and wants to convince his boss to give him more. If you have an inhouse guy like Cam up there, you'd probably not go for it... And regardless, we've only been in business two weeks and are up to our ears. So I guess we're doing something right. Anyway, it's been entertaining.

14-10-2005, 13:00	#75 (permalink)
datahound Spare Parts Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bracknell Forest Posts: 5,133	Ha ha so much hot air, good on you. Supply and demand, if you can get away with it why not. (as long as no children or animals are harmed obviously)

14-10-2005, 13:11	#76 (permalink)
jase1000 turd 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Right on your tit end Posts: 1,163	Good luck to you. A lot of what is said on here should be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

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