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d*d · 15-08-2005, 07:16

I know what the views regarding the use of html in emails are, but if you do create them you'll know how unfriendly they are to css, not anymore, if you want to include css in a html email follow a few simple rules

http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/...style_she.html

I still say that tables should be used for the layout but it'd be nize to have the 'font: size' style back at least

Brown · 15-08-2005, 07:46

i wouldn't go anywhere near that. there's far too many email clients out there and you just don't know what people are using.

notice that lotus notes is not on the list of tested mail clients and that these methods do not work with hotmail. nuff said.

you're using a table anyway so what's wrong with then setting background colours etc with the traditional attributes?

that said, i do use inline styles for links, but that's about it.

d*d · 15-08-2005, 07:51

lotus notes is a html emails nightmare, does it even render html markup?
I agree, use tables for layout but it's nice to know that css styles are not completely redundant.

Brown · 15-08-2005, 07:53

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Originally Posted by d*d

lotus notes is a html emails nightmare

no its not.

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Originally Posted by d*d

does it even render html markup?

yes.

Stickman · 15-08-2005, 08:01

There's more in the update.

Lotus notes is mentioned in the comments. People are saying it renders all html emails as text - even tables. Never tested it myself.

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Has anyone successfully formatted an e-mail to a Notes recipient with HTML?

Did you just use tables then, brown?

Brown · 15-08-2005, 08:06

yep, used tables, it is a bit quirky but i had to get it working on notes as that's what the client was using.

its the mail client of choice for many large firms. they even use it to build their websites. truly, a shockingly awful piece of software if you ask me.

pgo · 15-08-2005, 08:20

We use Lotus Notes at the university where I work.

Not for email anymore, but for trouble tickets, documentation, and logs (and probably a million other things I'm not aware of) - email is now Outlook Exchange, which is a vast improvement. The web interface for OE is excellent - except it isn't cross-browser compatible - it loses much functionality in Firefox and other non-IE browsers. Still nice web mail, though.

d*d · 15-08-2005, 08:26

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Originally Posted by Brown

no its not.

http://www.templatekit.com/lotusnotes1.php

Brown · 15-08-2005, 08:49

that's all common sense isn't it? specifying widths for tables, making image paths absolute, specifying a background colour for your tables and not using css.

seen.to · 16-08-2005, 19:56

My words on HTML E-mails:

html emails

d*d · 19-08-2005, 06:01

I agree with all that seen.to, and I'm not suggesting the use of css throughout emails, most of the benefits of css; accessability, consistency of pages, ease of update aren't considerations in an email anyway. But I always thought css was a complete no go area, when if you are shrewd with it, it seems you can use csss for text formatting without compromising it's acceptability by email clients.

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15-08-2005, 07:46	#2 (permalink)
Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,147	i wouldn't go anywhere near that. there's far too many email clients out there and you just don't know what people are using. notice that lotus notes is not on the list of tested mail clients and that these methods do not work with hotmail. nuff said. you're using a table anyway so what's wrong with then setting background colours etc with the traditional attributes? that said, i do use inline styles for links, but that's about it.

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d*d Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,401	lotus notes is a html emails nightmare, does it even render html markup? I agree, use tables for layout but it's nice to know that css styles are not completely redundant.

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Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,147	yep, used tables, it is a bit quirky but i had to get it working on notes as that's what the client was using. its the mail client of choice for many large firms. they even use it to build their websites. truly, a shockingly awful piece of software if you ask me.

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pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	We use Lotus Notes at the university where I work. Not for email anymore, but for trouble tickets, documentation, and logs (and probably a million other things I'm not aware of) - email is now Outlook Exchange, which is a vast improvement. The web interface for OE is excellent - except it isn't cross-browser compatible - it loses much functionality in Firefox and other non-IE browsers. Still nice web mail, though.

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Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,147	that's all common sense isn't it? specifying widths for tables, making image paths absolute, specifying a background colour for your tables and not using css.

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d*d Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,401	I agree with all that seen.to, and I'm not suggesting the use of css throughout emails, most of the benefits of css; accessability, consistency of pages, ease of update aren't considerations in an email anyway. But I always thought css was a complete no go area, when if you are shrewd with it, it seems you can use csss for text formatting without compromising it's acceptability by email clients.

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