[oli]

Mine

[Mr Fred]

used it non so long ago for flash jobby - works nice

[Bill Posters]

I scream, you scream, that font screams... "EMIGRE!!!"



I've never been big on that font, though a friend (also a designer) used it way back when for her own identity.
She isn't a designer any more.

Coincidence?

[Mr Fred]

snob

[tomson]

a font snob. the worst sort

[oli]

Do you think its possible to use a bad font like, say, comic sans in a good way ?

No ? Thought not.

[dorian]

I think it is. But can't be arsed to prove it to you

[smallbeer]

I don't know why but when I was reading this I thought, "I Scream, you scream we all scream for ice cream". Booze on a modany night. sorry bill

[Bill Posters]

S'ok, smallbeer. I used it knowingly.
The ice-cream slogan was the backbone of my comment.

(and I still don't like Cholla)

Snobbery has nowt to do with it.
I'm just not a great fan of the 'look and feel' of large chunks of the Emigre catalogue.
I consider the 'display face' overtones present even in their body faces to be a little overbearing for my tastes.
For me, they are, aesthetically-speaking, simply too strongly associated with that time for me to find much use for them in present-day jobs.

Probably the result of an overfamiliarity with Emigre as a result of them being the first indie foundry that I really got into when I originally embarked on my descent into font-nerdship around '93.
Emigre, FUSE and T26 were the only significant indie challengers to the dominance of the big, established foundries and all have a recognisable aesthetic branding that can still be seen in their choice of font output (imho).

One of the few Emigre faces that I feel translate forward well is Mrs. Eaves.
For me that marked a kind of 'coming of age' for Emigre's font catalogue.
It's not by coincidence that, at the time, Mrs Eaves was recognised as a significant departure from their usual brand of font and was (and imho- still is) the most sophisticated font in an otherwise dated collection.

Cholla is simply one of those fonts that I feel has the creation date stamped on it.

[oli]

Im not well up on my history of fonts etc (although i am learning) as Typography is something im starting to take a greater interest in.

Any good books recommended Bill? I recently read http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...446078-9770860 which is a bit outdated but does a good job of explaining the history of printing, filmsetting and general theory of typography.

Out of interest have you made any fonts Bill ? Something else Id like to know more about.

[tomson]

If you want to learn typographic design i thoroughly recommend this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...243957-3975006

Its sometimes a bit heavy going and anal but is such a comprehensive guide you probably wont need anything else.

Oh and Bill - joke!

[oli]

For instance, the size of pages is linked to the intervals of music (octave, fourth, and so on) and to the Fibonacci series and, of course, to the golden section.

Cheers for that T, been added to wishlist

[Bill Posters]

Tbh, I couldn't personally recommend any type/typography books as I picked up what I know through looking around at all kinds of layouts and structures, rather than from specifically typographic books.

The only real typographic source books I remembering rooting through would be the now outdated 'Typography Now' series.

I could more often be found with my nose buried in older books by Tschicold, Morison or Gill as well as classical references which I felt had more mileage as regards understanding typography than the modern coffee table 'inspiration kickstarters'.
Everything else I picked up along the way from a variety of sources, but mostly by keeping my eyes open when I'm out and about.

I've always had a keen eye for typography so that's one of the elements that most stick out to me when looking at the work of other designers as well as developing an appreciation for the charm and character of vernacular and formal signs found in the streets.


-- I've only ever 'made' one font years ago, which was a concept/technical font based on the old punchcard computer programming system.
It was for a specific piece of work and relatively simple to put together once I had authentic references to work from.
I couldn't find a digital version, so decided it would be simpler to build it myself.

While it isn't a particular groundbreaking creation, it could prove useful to some as a textural and/or technical font. I may make it available for download in the new business/folio site that I'm putting together.


-- S'ok Tomson. I knew you were joshing (JM perhaps less so ). I just felt that my comments could benefit from a bit of context.

[tomson]

Originally posted by Bill Posters
... classical references which I felt had more mileage as regards understanding typography than the modern coffee table 'inspiration kickstarters'.

My sentiments exactly.Which is why I think a book like Elements of Typgraphic style comes into its own cos a basic understanding of the underlying rules and principles of typography goes a long way - and can usually be seen in someones work.
This is a book I picked up after i'd finished studying design and has probably taught me more about the fundamental issues behind the use of typography than the 3 years I studied it - it was recommended by an ex Meta designer who i used to work with.

It pisses me off when I see a seemingly well designed poster or advert and then notice a mis-use of ligatures or the non-use of smart quotes. Such basic stuff!!!

[smallbeer]

Originally posted by Bill Posters
The ice-cream slogan was the backbone of my comment.

That'll be why then My brain was like lightening last night.

[Mr Fred]

Originally whined by Bill Posters -- S'ok Tomson. I knew you were joshing (JM perhaps less so ). I just felt that my comments could benefit from a bit of context.

sigh........

[Bill Posters]

OK, so which part of...

JM perhaps less so

...did you find so remarkable?


Or is all this sighing just because you get breathless and wistful when you see me at you?

[Mr Fred]

loving this in flash at mo

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/v...grounded-thin/

and such a great name to boot

[sleepingfish]

Very nice

[Stickman]

Kids' font.