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07-04-2008, 21:23
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say werd.
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My kid could paint that
Really interesting doco on art (sort of). MY KID COULD PAINT THAT | A SONY PICTURES CLASSICS RELEASE |
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07-04-2008, 22:50
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i'm done, son
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Anytime I hear someone say or imply that, I think their must either be extremely talented or they don't know what they're talking about and should go back to watching American Idol and stuffing their face with cheese doodles. I've heard of this girl before. I highly suspect that she is...how shall I say it...coached quite a bit. Or she's a prodigy. Either way, it seems to me that she's probably being exploited and I'd be willing to wager that her parents and her "dealer" are doing the exploiting. See elephant painting thread for reference. I still want to check out this doc. Off to Netflix! |
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08-04-2008, 00:59
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say werd.
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I think we could fill a thread discussing this film quite easily, Pat. Go see it, I'm curious on your take. |
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08-04-2008, 07:24
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Tick Tock Boom
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There is more to abstract art than daubing paint about willy nilly. If it is for decorative purposes and creative play then no problem, but for high art forget it. Looks like the family are cashing in here. |
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08-04-2008, 13:07
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The problem with this kind of art is that there is no obvious skill. Sure everyone "thinks" it is good, but then its the mentality of everyone saying its good in order not to loose face, rather like the Emperors clothes where everyone says how bloody nice the clothes are when in fact the Emperor is naked. Sure the girls work will be in demand, that has nothing to do with skill so much, but simply a manufactured hype and media interest, more exposure she gets, the more people want picutres, more people want pictures, more money they fetch, the more money they fetch the more famous and important she gets and so on. Problem with this type of art that it is pretty easy to fool people, the elephant painting is a good example. A good abstract modern artist will completly change style themes and look and feel of paintings over the years, where as an elephant or average child would carry on with same nievity and not improve technique and simply reproduce same old things time and time again. Another thing with many modern artists, although people say a lot of thier stuff is crap, they still have a good founding in basic techniques and do have some skill in executing more traditional art, creating perfect perspection, shading, toning, etc... I wonder if it is more a case of the child has been trained in order to make a fast buck, the website does not really show anything that suggests she is a genuis, again point out how everything is very similar with nothing to indicate a more deeper skilled understanding about the medium being used or even a basic concept of perseption, shading , depth of feild etc, Most of the pictures are somthing my daughter could produce, an intelligent enough toddler can learn to mix things about a bit, especailly if daddy says "oh next time you do a painting how about do it this way" Gallery pictures look like this could be the case . If you compare this child to a genuine child prodigy artist then you can see how something could not be right, especially when the art is simply lines and swirls oppsoed to fine art. just check this wonder kid out, look at her gallery and see how she developed in style and technique over the years, even at age 4 she showed how talented she was. Akiane: child prodigy, artist, poet. Purchase Paintings and Prints direct from Akiane Only time well tell if this kid is a genuis In mean time watch the hype and media frenzy and the speculative investers snap up countless paintings at ever increasing prices. A nice cash cow for a few years. |
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08-04-2008, 19:42
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say werd.
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Have you seen the doco? I couldn't help feeling the dad was dodgy by the end of it. The mother, on the other hand, was telling nothing but the truth. |
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09-04-2008, 05:42
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Err, wow? Her technical skill is really surprising but the subject matter is pretty awful. And the hardcore christian thing is a bit of a turn-off for me to be honest. |
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09-04-2008, 05:50
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Day-Glo Jazz Monkey
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Don't confuse art with craft/skill, no-one can say what's good/bad where art is concerned as it's entirely subjective. I find it equally ridiculous that something is seen as successful art just because it has taken a long time, such as sculpting something from a grain of rice, for example. It may be good craft/skill... but it's not necessarily good art. |
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09-04-2008, 05:54
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09-04-2008, 11:23
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That is a valid point and one which is debated to death every year with the turner prize.. Unmade Beds, cows in formahyde, piles of bricks and not to mention the starving dog. BUt at this point in time i am hard pushed to see the "genuis" within this alleged child prodigy |
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09-04-2008, 11:38
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Day-Glo Jazz Monkey
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Maybe the art is simply our existing difficulty in accepting that the child is a talented artist? The genius lies within the child's ability to challenge our perception of her, whether it's intentional or not is almost beside the point (unless we're talking about her skill and not the merit of the art). [edit] Again this is all subjective, it could be wank. |
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10-04-2008, 04:28
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Day-Glo Jazz Monkey
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Heh, please elaborate... In my opinion anything that is created or presented in a different light can be called art, that's a given. But also anything that can be interpreted from an artifact endows that artifact with artistic qualities (an artifact becomes art through analysis), which of course is down to the interpreter and is therefore subjective. Obviously it's pretty difficult to be absolutist about such things, but most folks generally agree on the above no matter their standpoint (Realist, Relativist, Objective, Representational, etc). |
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10-04-2008, 05:07
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389 ppm and rising
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That seems to be an interesting twist on the idea that art is whatever the artist says it is- that art is whatever the viewer finds artistry in! Most days, I think like Bill Posters. I refuse to automatically accept "art" or creativity existing in an object merely because it is displayed in a gallery. My free fonts www.utfi.net
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10-04-2008, 05:22
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Day-Glo Jazz Monkey
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In my experience, not many artists will support that kind of arrogant standpoint nowadays. Instead, they simply present their journey, outcome, or thought and let the viewer have at it... sometimes the art can be the individuals reaction to artifact, sometimes it can be skill based, sometimes it's a delivered message (you either "get it" or not), sometimes it's completely alien and sometimes it's intimately personal, etc. The 20th century statement of "what does it mean?" is generally accepted as unanswerable now... bit of a cop out, heh. |
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10-04-2008, 05:52
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Day-Glo Jazz Monkey
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Yeah, the initial media reaction was "bull"... you're making it up. They let that slide for about a month before revealing the documentation and work they had produced whilst away for the year and then the media attention and the value of "stuff/time" in the month or so of attention. Then it was "clever" and original... but without the documentation the art had no value in the mainstream mindset?! |
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