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TheBBoyDisorder · 07-10-2004, 11:12

...but... can you call your self a webdesigner if u use Dreamweaver or is that baby stuff.. just wondering ...

let me kno.

seen.to · 07-10-2004, 11:41

Dreamweaver is the industry standard used by the majority of professional Web designers throughout the world.

Being a Web designer isn't about the software you use though, it's about what you do with it.

Take something like http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/ as an example. Regardless of what software they are using I find it astonishing that they call themselves Web designers and then try to declare themselves the 'Guild of Master Web Designers'.

Knowing HTML (or now XHTML) is vital but gone are the days (for me at least) of slaving over notepad, meticulously putting everything together by hand.

CSS layout is looking at changing that in part as a lot of the Web designers on this forum will tell you. It's something I'm only recently looking into myself and *shock horror* I still use tables extensively in my designs... That is something that I'm working on changing thanks to the suggestions of DT users but it's hard after doing things one way for the last 8 years.

If you use Frontpage *spit* on the other hand...

I think I slipped off on a tangent in there somewhere... I really should be working anyway.

weldo · 07-10-2004, 11:54

weblinksonline.co.uk is amazing !!

Flying horses and everything !!!

I started with Dreamweaver but have been doing loads by hand lately as well, after developers I worked with didn't like the code Dreamweaver churned out.....it's certainly helped with my understanding of HTML and looks good on your CV if you can hand code I reckon.

I still see (and apply for) jobs that ask for FrontPage even though I would prefer not to use it at all....

Word HTML !! What's that all about ???

TheBBoyDisorder · 07-10-2004, 11:54

thanx alot for your time and the replies .. i have a better understanding now .

seen.to · 07-10-2004, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by weldo

I still see (and apply for) jobs that ask for FrontPage even though I would prefer not to use it at all....

Gotta take what you can get sometimes innit m8... Still wouldn't use it though. Given that situation I would take the job then educate them in the errors of their ways.

webmaster_uk · 13-11-2004, 10:46

Thanks for your comment on our site Http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk

gray · 13-11-2004, 10:50

we blink son line?

madk · 13-11-2004, 12:57

Programs like dreamweaver are just tools that help make your job a bit easier. Understanding why thing do things, and sometimes why they do things wrong is important as well. Its good to know and understand at least some of the code it produces. Otherwise I really dont think it matters if you use it or not. I am very amused when people who hand code, consider people who use programs like dreamweaver, not to be true designers.

gray · 13-11-2004, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by madk

I am very amused when people who hand code, consider people who use programs like dreamweaver, not to be true designers.

i use dwmx2004 code view, and would consider anyone who used design view not to understand web development.

webmaster_uk · 07-12-2004, 07:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by gray

i use dwmx2004 code view, and would consider anyone who used design view not to understand web development.

So you paint a house before the walls are built do you?

Alex · 07-12-2004, 07:55

....that doesn`t make sense

I use DW day in / day out. I still handcode everything, but just like the preview screen and the file tree layout on the right hand side. To be honest though the preview screen isn't really of much use any more with pure css layouts as it's all over the place. Is it any better in the latest version of DW? Maybe topstyle is the way forward...

Stickman · 07-12-2004, 08:56

Keep up.

Topstyle has been the way forward for years. Only goes sideways now.

mike_m · 07-12-2004, 09:26

I write all my (x)html and css on graph paper with a b2 pencil, then run it through an OCR.

Brown · 07-12-2004, 10:08

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and if you don't understand that then you can't call yourself a web developer.

mike_m · 07-12-2004, 10:42

In all seriousness, my first interview for a web design job - oohh, about 6 or 7 years ago - was at elan recruitment in thier fancy fleet street offices ( of course i knew absolutely nothing at that point) - after the customary questions, they gave me a pad of paper and said, "write down the HTML for any layout of your choice, but it should include a header, a footer, navigation and a form element." I just kind of stared at them dumbfounded until I was quietly led away

Managed it once I was at home with a keyboard though.

jrhnewark · 16-12-2004, 10:22

Quote:

Thanks for your comment on our site Http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk

The Golden Web Awards?

Humm, yes.

Anyway, on topic, I use Dreamweaver MX 2004, but still find myself back in Notepad - just needs the human touch, eh?

webmaster_uk · 02-01-2005, 09:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrhnewark

The Golden Web Awards?

Humm, yes.

Anyway, on topic, I use Dreamweaver MX 2004, but still find myself back in Notepad - just needs the human touch, eh?

So another one who builds a house then tries rebuilding the foundations. And using note pad instead of a proper HTML editor.

mike_m · 02-01-2005, 09:40

looks like your horse is setting it's farts on fire again...

pat · 02-01-2005, 19:15

chortle

lyndon · 03-01-2005, 05:06

Dear webmaster_uk

What everyone means to say is that your site is shit - plain and simple.

To call yourself a webdesigner is laughable, if not downright fraudulent.

I have been playing with Photoshop and Dreamweaver for about 2-3 years now and Im hoping to start a Foundation Degree in October, but I don't call myself a webdesigner - even though my work pisses all over yours.

Please take the time to check out this site further to see what constitutes design and maybe you will save yourself further embarrassment.

L

All of the above ramblings are opinion only!

07-10-2004, 11:12	#1 (permalink)
TheBBoyDisorder Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 25	luagh if you want ...but... can you call your self a webdesigner if u use Dreamweaver or is that baby stuff.. just wondering ... let me kno.

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seen.to unusual suspect ™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: DE, USA Posts: 2,763	Dreamweaver is the industry standard used by the majority of professional Web designers throughout the world. Being a Web designer isn't about the software you use though, it's about what you do with it. Take something like http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/ as an example. Regardless of what software they are using I find it astonishing that they call themselves Web designers and then try to declare themselves the 'Guild of Master Web Designers'. Knowing HTML (or now XHTML) is vital but gone are the days (for me at least) of slaving over notepad, meticulously putting everything together by hand. CSS layout is looking at changing that in part as a lot of the Web designers on this forum will tell you. It's something I'm only recently looking into myself and shock horror I still use tables extensively in my designs... That is something that I'm working on changing thanks to the suggestions of DT users but it's hard after doing things one way for the last 8 years. If you use Frontpage spit on the other hand... I think I slipped off on a tangent in there somewhere... I really should be working anyway. __________________ [[proverbs and quotes]] [[blog]] [[work]] [[photowebby - some photo's by me]]

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weldo now with added beard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,269	weblinksonline.co.uk is amazing !! Flying horses and everything !!! I started with Dreamweaver but have been doing loads by hand lately as well, after developers I worked with didn't like the code Dreamweaver churned out.....it's certainly helped with my understanding of HTML and looks good on your CV if you can hand code I reckon. I still see (and apply for) jobs that ask for FrontPage even though I would prefer not to use it at all.... Word HTML !! What's that all about ??? __________________ fuck signatures

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Alex div Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Leeds Posts: 647	....that doesn`t make sense I use DW day in / day out. I still handcode everything, but just like the preview screen and the file tree layout on the right hand side. To be honest though the preview screen isn't really of much use any more with pure css layouts as it's all over the place. Is it any better in the latest version of DW? Maybe topstyle is the way forward... __________________ Engage Interactive - Web design Harrogate \| Kustard

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mike_m Work faster microphone .. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,706	I write all my (x)html and css on graph paper with a b2 pencil, then run it through an OCR. __________________

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TheBBoyDisorder Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 25	thanx alot for your time and the replies .. i have a better understanding now .

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webmaster_uk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Midlands (UK) Posts: 7	Thanks for your comment on our site Http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk

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gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,728	we blink son line?

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madk Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chicago, Il Posts: 13	Programs like dreamweaver are just tools that help make your job a bit easier. Understanding why thing do things, and sometimes why they do things wrong is important as well. Its good to know and understand at least some of the code it produces. Otherwise I really dont think it matters if you use it or not. I am very amused when people who hand code, consider people who use programs like dreamweaver, not to be true designers.

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Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,642	Keep up. Topstyle has been the way forward for years. Only goes sideways now.

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Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,215	10101010101010101001011010101001010101010100101010 10101010100101010101010101010101101010100101010101 01010101010101010101010101010101010101010101001011 01010100101010101010010101010101010100101010101010 10101010110101010010101010101010101010101010101010 10101010101010101010100101101010100101010101010010 10101010101010010101010101010101010110101010010101 01010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010100 10110101010010101010101001010101010101010010101010 10101010101011010101001010101010101010101010101010 10101010101010101010101010010110101010010101010101 00101010101010101001010101010101010101011010101001 01010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101 01001011010101001010101010100101010101010101001010 10101010101010101101010100101010101010101010101010 101010101010 and if you don't understand that then you can't call yourself a web developer.

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mike_m Work faster microphone .. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,706	In all seriousness, my first interview for a web design job - oohh, about 6 or 7 years ago - was at elan recruitment in thier fancy fleet street offices ( of course i knew absolutely nothing at that point) - after the customary questions, they gave me a pad of paper and said, "write down the HTML for any layout of your choice, but it should include a header, a footer, navigation and a form element." I just kind of stared at them dumbfounded until I was quietly led away Managed it once I was at home with a keyboard though. __________________

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mike_m Work faster microphone .. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 1,706	looks like your horse is setting it's farts on fire again... __________________

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lyndon Venti Macchiato Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 1,160	Dear webmaster_uk What everyone means to say is that your site is shit - plain and simple. To call yourself a webdesigner is laughable, if not downright fraudulent. I have been playing with Photoshop and Dreamweaver for about 2-3 years now and Im hoping to start a Foundation Degree in October, but I don't call myself a webdesigner - even though my work pisses all over yours. Please take the time to check out this site further to see what constitutes design and maybe you will save yourself further embarrassment. L All of the above ramblings are opinion only!

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