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John Good · 15-11-2007, 23:07

Hello,

Client needs to update the website by himself.
I've tried to give him a good CMS, but no way and no budjet.
The guy had a computer when he was a kid, he thinks he can do the updates of his website by hand...

I KNOW that it's a very bad idea, but that's NOT the point.
Don't lose time on this.

---

So, he will have to edit my html files.

I'm about to tell him to use filezilla and notepad++, and as I have no PC I have a few questions relative to their functions :

Filezilla
#1 - Is there an easy way in filezilla to edit files directly on a distant server ?
#2 - is filezilla the best free ftp solution ?

Notepad++
#3 - is there an easy way to have everything in color and plain text in black ?
#4 - is notepad++ the best free ultra simple coding tool solution ?

thanks in advance

iblastoff · 15-11-2007, 23:20

umm..theres tons of free cms's?

or i suppose you could just use php includes so he/she won't have to see as much coding?

John Good · 15-11-2007, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Good

I KNOW that it's a very bad idea, but that's NOT the point.
Don't lose time on this.

thanks for your precious help

Hunch · 16-11-2007, 03:57

I'm not that familiar with Filezilla, but Notepad++ has an ftp extension that will allow him to just open and save files on the remote web server as if they are on his local machine. It runs in a sidebar of the editor so preserves a one window solution (nice and simple)

Alternatively, if he's on XP or Vista, you could just map a network drive using WebDAV to the remote webserver. Then he can just drag files between folders in Windows Explorer and they get copied to the remote server. It's seemless, free and it's built into Windows. Plus I don't think it could be much simpler. He should even just be able to File>Save from notepad or whatever editor he uses and it will save directly to the webserver. Filezilla isn't even necessary.

IMHO the bad idea is not so much your client editing his own files. It's more that it sounds like he might be editing live webserver files, so every minor screw-up gets immediately displayed on the site. At least ensure he saves files to a temporary folder and tests them before copying them across to the live site.

John Good · 16-11-2007, 04:54

Thanks hunch. You're right, all the way.
I think I'll let him go with notepad++. I don't feel like learning to use windows before showing him how to do the WebDAV trick.

BTW, maybe I secretely hope he will ruin the whole thing and consider then to pay for a CMS or let professionals do their job.

funkyprem · 16-11-2007, 05:59

He won't even stretch to Contribute?

Shiro · 16-11-2007, 08:02

I think you have the right idea - give him a site, show him how to use filezilla, then sit back and wait for him to screw it up so that he has to re-hire you to put together a cms for him.

Transmogrify · 16-11-2007, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Good

Hello,

Client needs to update the website by himself.
I've tried to give him a good CMS, but no way and no budjet.
The guy had a computer when he was a kid, he thinks he can do the updates of his website by hand...

I KNOW that it's a very bad idea, but that's NOT the point.
Don't lose time on this.

I suggest that if he hasn't the budget to pay for a CMS installation, you're wasting your time with this client.

proc355 · 16-11-2007, 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transmogrify

I suggest that if he hasn't the budget to pay for a CMS installation, you're wasting your time with this client.

aye - run while you can

iblastoff · 16-11-2007, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Good

thanks for your precious help

i don't see whats wrong with my suggestion of using php includes. makes a whole lot of sense to me if you don't want to chance your client mucking up your html. but whatever.

Anxious · 17-11-2007, 03:59

Just use wordpress.

John Good · 07-12-2007, 14:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by haku

I think you have the right idea - give him a site, show him how to use filezilla, then sit back and wait for him to screw it up so that he has to re-hire you to put together a cms for him.

It seems it did not take too long...
I've had a phonecall this morning.

proc355 · 07-12-2007, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Good

It seems it did not take too long...
I've had a phonecall this morning.

quality

soopafly · 07-12-2007, 15:21

I would've ran from this a long time ago.

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John Good + Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tropical Networks Posts: 1,584	Thanks hunch. You're right, all the way. I think I'll let him go with notepad++. I don't feel like learning to use windows before showing him how to do the WebDAV trick. BTW, maybe I secretely hope he will ruin the whole thing and consider then to pay for a CMS or let professionals do their job. __________________ Fonts are like cologne: A bad choice speaks louder than a good one. Justin Feinstein

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16-11-2007, 03:57	#4 (permalink)
Hunch Grumpy old man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Japan Posts: 1,695	I'm not that familiar with Filezilla, but Notepad++ has an ftp extension that will allow him to just open and save files on the remote web server as if they are on his local machine. It runs in a sidebar of the editor so preserves a one window solution (nice and simple) Alternatively, if he's on XP or Vista, you could just map a network drive using WebDAV to the remote webserver. Then he can just drag files between folders in Windows Explorer and they get copied to the remote server. It's seemless, free and it's built into Windows. Plus I don't think it could be much simpler. He should even just be able to File>Save from notepad or whatever editor he uses and it will save directly to the webserver. Filezilla isn't even necessary. IMHO the bad idea is not so much your client editing his own files. It's more that it sounds like he might be editing live webserver files, so every minor screw-up gets immediately displayed on the site. At least ensure he saves files to a temporary folder and tests them before copying them across to the live site.

16-11-2007, 08:02	#7 (permalink)
Shiro shiro Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 2,605	I think you have the right idea - give him a site, show him how to use filezilla, then sit back and wait for him to screw it up so that he has to re-hire you to put together a cms for him.

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Anxious On the Naughty Step Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,750	Just use wordpress.

07-12-2007, 15:21	#14 (permalink)
soopafly Unregistered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 37	I would've ran from this a long time ago.

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