[Spyros]

Hello folks,

I think I am going to give Linux a try. I am looking for a cool WYSIWIG editor for Linux. Any good suggestions out from anybody?

Thanks

[doffy]

Nope, if there are any, they all suck. (..The Linux Way(tm)..)

Some titles to look at are:

- Screem
- Quanta
- Nvu (sheitstorm2000)

- Bluefish

Good luck with your desktop experience(tm)

[Spyros]

Thanks doffy, will give 'em a try and if there is any interesting feedback, I will share it.

[doffy]

The point is, all listed apps here are crap, but there's not much else to choose from.

(Mac/Never look back, etc.)

[Spyros]

Yeah... that sucks
I will ask around some Linux forums also see what comes up.

[Mandy Moo]

Ha Ha, Doffy, you are getting into a habit of recommending software you wouldn't use yourself.

Is Dreamweaver not available on Linux?

[doffy]

Good luck slaloming past all those beanbag, propeller-head, pepsi-guzzling Linuxists who's not got even the wrongest idea of what the concepts of design are..

[doffy]

Originally Posted by Mandy Moo

Ha Ha, Doffy, you are getting into a habit of recommending software you wouldn't use yourself.

I'm just listing all crap for him to "futilize" until giving in and visiting Apple Store.

Originally Posted by Mandy Moo

Is Dreamweaver not available on Linux?

Maybe through Wine, or if it is, I'm sure it's "great"..

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by doffy

Good luck slaloming past all those beanbag, propeller-head, pepsi-guzzling Linuxists who's not got even the wrongest idea of what the concepts of design are..

No self respecting professional web developers use WYSIWYG editors. Also slating Linux because Adobe choose not to support isn't fair. It's like me slating Macs because they don't play Direct X games.

[doffy]

Agreed. - I wouldn't use WYSIWYG either, but that's what the man asked for.


Linux is "slated" (read: "concluded/deemed/doomed") by the outlook that _if_ CS3/Adobe won't be supported natively on there, then in all likelihood and realistic measure noone else will step up to the task either, atleast in terms of usability / being more than useless in any real Adobe-ish task.

You could twiddle-dee until Linux gets a real Creative Suite of some kind, but by that day we'll be drawing designs with our fingers in free air instead, hence it'll be a day or two too late.

-And if you're going for Linux just to use a text-editor, then it's better to choose an OS with a few more possibilities.

[Herr Kurm]

You can run dreamveawer with crossoveroffice on linux just fine.

[doffy]

That seems to be the best option at this point, then.

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by doffy

Linux is "slated" (read: "concluded/deemed/doomed") by the outlook that _if_ CS3/Adobe won't be supported natively on there, then in all likelihood and realistic measure noone else will step up to the task either, atleast in terms of usability / being more than useless in any real Adobe-ish task.

You could twiddle-dee until Linux gets a real Creative Suite of some kind, but by that day we'll be drawing designs with our fingers in free air instead, hence it'll be a day or two too late.

-And if you're going for Linux just to use a text-editor, then it's better to choose an OS with a few more possibilities.

eh? I am struggling to understand your logic, unless you are just talking from just a graphic design point of view?

So in your opinion Linux is doomed because it isn't supported by a company that charges thousands for its software. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! OSX is Unix based, as is Linux, so it would actually be easier to port CS3 to Linux, than to Windows. The reason they don't bother is because they would then have to support it, and the majority of Linux users don't like paying for software, so it wouldn't be worth them bothering. Open Source the code, and it would get ported quickly, the ball is certainly in Adobes court, and it doesn't support Linux because it doesn't want to - not because Linux is unable to run CS3.

I use Kubuntu Linux as my main operating system, it does nearly everything I need it to:

• I have setup a LAMP server for testing websites
• I use GIMP instead of Photoshop, being a developer I generally just have to crop, resize, etc.
• I use the Kate text editor for development
• I can test my websites using Firefox, Opera, IE6 and IE7.

Linux has a HUGE market share for servers and embedded devices (your modem/router will be using Linux, and possibly your mobile phone), and I don't think Apple or Microsoft will ever come close to changing that. Ubuntu has introduced a lot of Desktop users to Linux in the past few years, even Dell has started selling PCs with Linux. Linux is getting more popular if anything.

If I need to do some ASP.NET development, or want to play a game, I boot into Windows. Otherwise I use Linux.

[doffy]

Originally Posted by freelancr

the majority of Linux users don't like paying for software, so it wouldn't be worth them bothering. Open Source the code, and it would get ported quickly, the ball is certainly in Adobes court, and it doesn't support Linux because it doesn't want to - not because Linux is unable to run CS3.

So the beanbag kids sit there wetpanted, sipping the Stallmanic Kool-Aid, and in all seriousity expect Adobe to go full-fledged Open Source, and with one of their main products? Heheh; that's the Linux Spirit, which is why things are as they is.

Given the model of Linux, whatever changes happen, and whereever the road go, it'll always in a sense be "the right" road [for Linux,] which is fine and respectable, but then it'll always continue to be just Linux, too.. - Impressive as hell, and what a great effort, but still same 'ol _Linux_, y' know? ..

Wishing for everything to become OpenSource is a little overly optimistic, to say the least, but saving that wishlist in ODF-format might keep it openable when the time comes..

Originally Posted by freelancr

eh? I am struggling to understand your logic, unless you are just talking from just a graphic design point of view?

I was [initially/mainly] talking about Linux from a graphic point of view, yes, for whatever Linux does it's [probably] fine

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by doffy

Open Source, and with one of their main products?

I was trying to point out that if the code runs on OSX, it will easily be portable to Linux as they are both based upon Unix. The only reason Adobe CS3 doesn't run on Linux isn't Linux's fault, nor the fault of the Linux community - but because Adobe don't want to support it for the same reason you Mac won't play BioShock. Money.

I find it deeply ironic how you are slagging off Linux and its open source community on a forum that would only exist if it were for them developing Linux, PHP and MySQL.

But as you are talking mainly from a Graphic Designer's point of view, you are correct in saying that Linux does lack decent software for your work. Nothing quite compares to Adobe's software in this field, even the free alternatives like the GIMP and ink scape aren't as good, but you musn't grumble as they are free!