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Snowshiro · 19-09-2007, 02:28

This won't be of much interest to Windows users or people who don't rely on CS3 for their living.

As some of us actually pay (a lot) for our copy of CS3 -as opposed to downloading it from a torrent site- there's an interesting, if rather speculative article on tuaw.com about the current state of Adobe's flagship suite on Leopard. The gist of it, is that Adobe's CEO has hinted to Reuters that things might not be going that smoothly with regard to OS X 10.5.

It might be total bullshit, but some of the follow-up comments are interesting. One example that caught my eye:

"I have access to a Leopard seed and have the full compliment of CS3 apps (well the Designer pack + Fireworks) and can confirm that they do indeed run like grade A crap. Numerous problems as reported to Apple have been:

• Random crashes in all CS3 apps
• Input box problems and sliders do not work properly in all CS3 apps
• You canot run Photoshop for longer than 20 minutes before it either crashes on you or causes your Mac to stall and even the simplest tasks like nudging a layer cause the spinning beach ball of death.
• Flash has serious display issues when looking at more than one document.
• Various save problems in Illustrator and problems when opening more than one document (two windows open, can't close the first one)."

The speculation is that Adobe are making some of this public, to give Apple a kick up the ass on behalf of third-party developers, and to basically say "our software is actually more important than yours". Apparently Apple haven't been that helpful lately to software developers. Although I'm not always a fan of Adobe as a company, they do have a point. In the pro-market it's CS3 that really rules the roost. I'd just as soon switch back to Windows if there were ever serious (and prolonged) problems with the Mac OS version. Or at the very least not bother with the 10.5 upgrade.

At the very least I think it's worth advising to hold off on the Leopard upgrade (if you were planning to jump on it quickly) until the stability and performance of CS3 has been well documented.

Danyo · 19-09-2007, 04:51

Just buy a Windows PC.

emil · 19-09-2007, 05:50

it's a good thing I'm not buying leopard then, at least not till I get it with a new 24" mac next year.

sub · 19-09-2007, 06:22

I get most of those issues and more with CS3 on my system running 10.4.
Was hoping a machine and OS upgrade would sort all that out.

gray · 19-09-2007, 06:24

sub - intel mac?

all fine here on my g5 10.4

ran leopard for a while too, didnt notice anything too bad, but only had it on for a week

herkalees · 19-09-2007, 06:39

G5 + Cs2 = Ftw

sub · 19-09-2007, 06:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by gray

sub - intel mac?

Not yet. CS3 being run on G5 PowerPCs.

emil · 19-09-2007, 07:15

It works fine on my intel iMac, I do get occasionally to see the spinning ball, but only when I have more than one CS3 app open, but I only have 1GB of RAM so it's excusable. And it does work eventually. I think I only had one Dreamweaver crash since the beginning, can't remember others. Running Tiger.

Maerk · 19-09-2007, 07:32

Yeah they're discussing the new OS release, not Tiger

Guess I'll hold off upgrading to Leopard until Adobe and Apple are done with their pissing match.

emil · 19-09-2007, 07:38

I know that i was posting that in reference to sub's comment about his machine... Anyway. Like always it's better to hold off at start.

Maerk · 19-09-2007, 07:40

oops am going blind sorry

Do Gooder · 19-09-2007, 07:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danyo

Just buy a Windows PC.

yeah sure. vista rocks.

Snowshiro · 19-09-2007, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by sub

I get most of those issues and more with CS3 on my system running 10.4.
Was hoping a machine and OS upgrade would sort all that out.

Not sure what's going on there mate. I've never had a problem with Intel/CS3/10.4 - it's been smooth as a baby's bum...

Do Gooder · 19-09-2007, 10:54

works fine on my macbook but I have had the whole CS3 Suite crashing every now and then on my G5.. but i think it may be fonts causing the fun.

pdlr · 19-09-2007, 14:54

i was just thinking about switching to mac and now this is making me nervous. if i buy an imac next week will it come with this problematic operating system? this "leopard"? does not mac gaurantee a "stable system"?

plus the last creative suite i bought was windows only and so i'll have to purchase it again for mac (more money). but i'm ok with it since now it comes with dreamweaver and flash which i had to buy from macromedia before.

ughl, i thought i was about to get rid of crashes forever...

Do Gooder · 19-09-2007, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdlr

i was just thinking about switching to mac and now this is making me nervous. if i buy an imac next week will it come with this problematic operating system? this "leopard"? does not mac gaurantee a "stable system"?

plus the last creative suite i bought was windows only and so i'll have to purchase it again for mac (more money). but i'm ok with it since now it comes with dreamweaver and flash which i had to buy from macromedia before.

ughl, i thought i was about to get rid of crashes forever...

Usually the problems are sorted with an update to the OS and or Software.. but expect to wait a few months for the updates.

Just hold back for a bit and let the new software settle. folks are so eager!

As with all software, new releases are really public betas.

Same is true of Mac hardware. New 'rev a' models are always flawed... wait for the 'rev b' version.

pdlr · 19-09-2007, 19:58

well, with pc's right now you can get the new fancy vista or opt for the windows xp. anything like this when ordering a mac? honestly, i'm not too familiar with all their operating systems and versions. if such an option does exist, what is the most stable version currently available that runs cs3?

Transmogrify · 19-09-2007, 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdlr

i was just thinking about switching to mac and now this is making me nervous. if i buy an imac next week will it come with this problematic operating system? this "leopard"? does not mac gaurantee a "stable system"?

No, if you buy an imac next week, it'll come with os x 10.4 tiger. 10.5 leopard doesn't get released until october, and probably the end of october too. The current version of OS X runs CS3 very well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdlr

ughl, i thought i was about to get rid of crashes forever...

No matter what operating system you run, none of them will be crash free/completely stable. It's the nature of the beast.

another™ · 19-09-2007, 20:17

i'd buy now, pdlr.

apple have a policy whereby your mac will only run OS's newer than itself. therefore, if you wait until after leopard is released (october time), it will be a leopard+ only mac. if you buy now, it'll come with Tiger, which is solid as a rock now, and you always have the option of upgrading to Leopard later on.

OS X releases generally suck between .0 and .3 (so Leopard 10.5.0 will be shit, 10.5.1 will be better but still largely shit, and so on until around about 10.5.4, 10.5.5 when it'll be good. Tiger is currently on 10.4.10 (meaning it's had 10 software updates since it's release), and is as stable as ever. Panther completed life at 10.3.9.

another™ · 19-09-2007, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Transmogrify

No matter what operating system you run, none of them will be crash free/completely stable. It's the nature of the beast.

everything built with a human in the process along the way will have human error built in. crashes are the evidence of this.

at least with protected memory and co-operative multitasking in these modern OS's, an app crash doesn't crash the entire damn computer...

19-09-2007, 02:28	#1 (permalink)
Snowshiro Will work for Marmite Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sapporo, Japan Posts: 573	CS3 not working well on Leopard This won't be of much interest to Windows users or people who don't rely on CS3 for their living. As some of us actually pay (a lot) for our copy of CS3 -as opposed to downloading it from a torrent site- there's an interesting, if rather speculative article on tuaw.com about the current state of Adobe's flagship suite on Leopard. The gist of it, is that Adobe's CEO has hinted to Reuters that things might not be going that smoothly with regard to OS X 10.5. It might be total bullshit, but some of the follow-up comments are interesting. One example that caught my eye: "I have access to a Leopard seed and have the full compliment of CS3 apps (well the Designer pack + Fireworks) and can confirm that they do indeed run like grade A crap. Numerous problems as reported to Apple have been: • Random crashes in all CS3 apps • Input box problems and sliders do not work properly in all CS3 apps • You canot run Photoshop for longer than 20 minutes before it either crashes on you or causes your Mac to stall and even the simplest tasks like nudging a layer cause the spinning beach ball of death. • Flash has serious display issues when looking at more than one document. • Various save problems in Illustrator and problems when opening more than one document (two windows open, can't close the first one)." The speculation is that Adobe are making some of this public, to give Apple a kick up the ass on behalf of third-party developers, and to basically say "our software is actually more important than yours". Apparently Apple haven't been that helpful lately to software developers. Although I'm not always a fan of Adobe as a company, they do have a point. In the pro-market it's CS3 that really rules the roost. I'd just as soon switch back to Windows if there were ever serious (and prolonged) problems with the Mac OS version. Or at the very least not bother with the 10.5 upgrade. At the very least I think it's worth advising to hold off on the Leopard upgrade (if you were planning to jump on it quickly) until the stability and performance of CS3 has been well documented.

19-09-2007, 05:50	#3 (permalink)
emil dt immigrant Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bucharest - Romania Posts: 6,998	it's a good thing I'm not buying leopard then, at least not till I get it with a new 24" mac next year. __________________ Tourism Q X R

19-09-2007, 06:22	#4 (permalink)
sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,263	I get most of those issues and more with CS3 on my system running 10.4. Was hoping a machine and OS upgrade would sort all that out. __________________ Follow DT updates on Twitter: http://twitter.com/designerstalk

19-09-2007, 06:39	#6 (permalink)
herkalees Semantics, yay. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Salem, Massachusetts Posts: 1,128	G5 + Cs2 = Ftw __________________ Writing on markup, CSS, and other web geekery Professional, accessible, and search engine friendly web site development by Boston Web Studio

19-09-2007, 07:15	#8 (permalink)
emil dt immigrant Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bucharest - Romania Posts: 6,998	It works fine on my intel iMac, I do get occasionally to see the spinning ball, but only when I have more than one CS3 app open, but I only have 1GB of RAM so it's excusable. And it does work eventually. I think I only had one Dreamweaver crash since the beginning, can't remember others. Running Tiger. __________________ Tourism Q X R

19-09-2007, 04:51	#2 (permalink)
Danyo Graphic Designer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Spain Posts: 129	Just buy a Windows PC.

19-09-2007, 06:24	#5 (permalink)
gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,713	sub - intel mac? all fine here on my g5 10.4 ran leopard for a while too, didnt notice anything too bad, but only had it on for a week

19-09-2007, 07:32	#9 (permalink)
Maerk Doodler. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 1,400	Yeah they're discussing the new OS release, not Tiger Guess I'll hold off upgrading to Leopard until Adobe and Apple are done with their pissing match. __________________ sreski & scrapbook.sreski

19-09-2007, 07:38	#10 (permalink)
emil dt immigrant Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bucharest - Romania Posts: 6,998	I know that i was posting that in reference to sub's comment about his machine... Anyway. Like always it's better to hold off at start. __________________ Tourism Q X R

19-09-2007, 07:40	#11 (permalink)
Maerk Doodler. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 1,400	oops am going blind sorry __________________ sreski & scrapbook.sreski

19-09-2007, 10:54	#14 (permalink)
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19-09-2007, 14:54	#15 (permalink)
pdlr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 27	i was just thinking about switching to mac and now this is making me nervous. if i buy an imac next week will it come with this problematic operating system? this "leopard"? does not mac gaurantee a "stable system"? plus the last creative suite i bought was windows only and so i'll have to purchase it again for mac (more money). but i'm ok with it since now it comes with dreamweaver and flash which i had to buy from macromedia before. ughl, i thought i was about to get rid of crashes forever...

19-09-2007, 19:58	#17 (permalink)
pdlr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 27	well, with pc's right now you can get the new fancy vista or opt for the windows xp. anything like this when ordering a mac? honestly, i'm not too familiar with all their operating systems and versions. if such an option does exist, what is the most stable version currently available that runs cs3?

19-09-2007, 20:17	#19 (permalink)
another™ another graphic designer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 152	i'd buy now, pdlr. apple have a policy whereby your mac will only run OS's newer than itself. therefore, if you wait until after leopard is released (october time), it will be a leopard+ only mac. if you buy now, it'll come with Tiger, which is solid as a rock now, and you always have the option of upgrading to Leopard later on. OS X releases generally suck between .0 and .3 (so Leopard 10.5.0 will be shit, 10.5.1 will be better but still largely shit, and so on until around about 10.5.4, 10.5.5 when it'll be good. Tiger is currently on 10.4.10 (meaning it's had 10 software updates since it's release), and is as stable as ever. Panther completed life at 10.3.9.

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