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hawken · 28-03-2004, 19:53

I've finally started padding out my site again after almost 2 years of slumber!

illustration area might satisfy some needs:
http://hawken.dadako.com/skillset.il....php?page=main

I'm desperatly trying to get the pixel area open along with the rest of the site.
Let me know if you find any of the navigation to be dumb etc, I've tried to make it all as userfriendly as possible...

TriPixels · 29-03-2004, 00:51

Well, it's a nice site, but it just doesn't catch my attention. From the graphics work you have displayed there I can tell that you would surely be able to do much better than that.

dan · 29-03-2004, 02:49

I quite like. Maybe a bit too designers republic but nicely done.

Oh and it works fine on my Mac (IE 5 OSX 10.2)

hawken · 29-03-2004, 04:32

dan, I believe that Helvetica can be used by other designers. (did you know that I built the tDR site with the other Kleber dudes some time back?)
I know for a fact that its not going to work on the mac properly because macs don't support activeX scripting

The site design is about 3 years old!! However the content is not

I hope that it serves as a decent vehicle for showing work Tripixels, and my job is done if the site its-self is fairly transparent.

smallbeer · 29-03-2004, 04:51

what exactly are you hoping the google words will acheive?

this is what I see on Mozi.14...

Brown · 29-03-2004, 04:58

here's some screen shots from moz 1.6 (it looks the same in ff 0.8)

hawken · 29-03-2004, 05:46

small beer google picks up words from the body of html docs, not the head.

ok here's what it looks like on 98% of viewers machines, thankfully! (I can't belive I used to stifle creativity and remove cool stuff just because 2% of browsers couldn't handle it)

http://www.gtp.org.uk/junk.images/PC-ie6.1.jpg
http://www.gtp.org.uk/junk.images/PC-ie6.2.jpg

theres an animated background (which is just a small gif, but this basic funtionality seems to have been removed from mozzy) and transparent flash movies galore.

Brown · 29-03-2004, 05:57

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Originally Posted by hawken

small beer google picks up words from the body of html docs, not the head.

fair eMuff but at least hide it. visibility: hidden

smallbeer · 29-03-2004, 05:57

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Originally Posted by hawken

small beer google picks up words from the body of html docs, not the head.

No shit.

putting them at the bottom of the page as you have doesn't do shit and certainly won't help you with google. How about some header tags?

Bill Posters · 29-03-2004, 05:59

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Originally Posted by hawken

small beer google picks up words from the body of html docs, not the head.

Fwiw™, Google likes 'proper content, populated reasonably with keywords.
It dis'nay like keyword cramming (aka 'search-engine spamming'.).
If they catch you at it (or someone reports you), your site may be hi-hi-hi-hi-his-tor-y (at least as far as Google is concerned)

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Just out of (honest) curiosity…
What schmancy doodads am I missing by not being an MSIE/Win user?

hawken · 29-03-2004, 06:55

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What schmancy doodads am I missing by not being an MSIE/Win user?

active X

Direct X

which will basically give you access to lots of fancy effects and usefull things like drop shadows, image 90deg rotations (one image becomes 4, thus saving resources) bluring, animated effects, transparent backgrounds to flash movies, flash movies on layers (or divs, spans etc), opacity for anything, rollover effects (thus saving resources, again), stable tables, custom fonts, and lots of other things I can't quite think of right now.

I think the battle has been won, I can't argue the case because I dont care. I know IE has some bad things about it, but nothing that would make me want to loose all these creative goodies.

smallbeer header tags there too

I hope the menus and stuff are not too confusing, thats what I'm mostly concerned about! (functionality not accessability, one day I'll make a super simple version for browsers that dont support what 98% of other viewers are seeing, one day!)

Bill Posters · 29-03-2004, 07:05

I meant - what effects are you implementing on your nav?
I like a bit of js/dhtml navigation stuff (though it's been a wee while since I concocted one for my own site).

hawken · 29-03-2004, 08:05

oh no, the nav used to be in DHTML and actually the whole template used to work on other browsers I believe. Now its in flash. If you can't see flash I'd reccomend another browser

Bill Posters · 29-03-2004, 09:34

I can see flash just fine.
Maybe the best way to see what I'm missing would've been to ask for a screenshot…

hawken · 29-03-2004, 11:48

look up to the heavens my love... well a few posts up anyhow.

btw I like you site, its got a lovelly sort of ordered but deconstructive quality

dan · 29-03-2004, 13:08

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Originally Posted by hawken

dan, I believe that Helvetica can be used by other designers. (did you know that I built the tDR site with the other Kleber dudes some time back?)

Hang on a mo, it wasn't supposed to be that agressive. I do actually like your site and no I don't beleive other designers can't use helvetica. I was mainly just drawing parallels with the nav's is all. You've got some nice work on there and tho I like the red it seems to fight with some of your screen shots due to the bright colours.

And no, of course I didn't know you built the tDR site with the kleber dudes a while back... but why should that make a difference.

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Originally Posted by hawken

I know for a fact that its not going to work on the mac properly because macs don't support activeX scripting

But it seemed fine on my mac, lost some bells and whistles maybe but it displayed fine and I got no problems that distracted from the design... all to the good surely.

D.

gray · 29-03-2004, 14:22

where are they? I saw the background thing, but am I missing other effects? IE6 Win XP btw

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawken

which will basically give you access to lots of fancy effects and usefull things like drop shadows, image 90deg rotations (one image becomes 4, thus saving resources) bluring, animated effects, transparent backgrounds to flash movies, flash movies on layers (or divs, spans etc), opacity for anything, rollover effects (thus saving resources, again), stable tables, custom fonts, and lots of other things I can't quite think of right now.

hawken · 29-03-2004, 22:24

lol
possible effects. in ie6 on pc. not saying I jammed them all into the site!! But I am saying that this is what attracts me to ie6 on the PC.

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but why should that make a difference.

I suppose it just means that not everything is inspired from DR (I lie, it is). I built this site template originally when we were nocking a few similar sites out... I have a massive date stamp on my head. nah, does anyone really look at helvetica and think DR these days? I thought maybe we as designers could out-run that?

oh dear this took far too long and its stil not finished:
http://hawken.dadako.com/_diary.special.japan.9900.html <--has sound

jihef · 30-03-2004, 00:38

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Originally Posted by hawken

ok here's what it looks like on 98% of viewers machines, thankfully! (I can't belive I used to stifle creativity and remove cool stuff just because 2% of browsers couldn't handle it)

i'm so proud my 6-month old ibook is part of the 2% when i use safari. nice touch on the accessibility...

i do enjoy the helvetica though. meh i'd like any helvetica that hides vowels.

dan · 31-03-2004, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawken

I built this site template originally when we were nocking a few similar sites out... I have a massive date stamp on my head. nah, does anyone really look at helvetica and think DR these days? I thought maybe we as designers could out-run that?

Not normally, but I was on the DR site the day before and it jogged my memory. Had a proppa look around your site after posting, nice, held my attension for quite a while. Liked some of your manifesto points aswell

28-03-2004, 19:53	#1 (permalink)
hawken Cornish Pasty Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,462	ok its not gonna work on a mac but... I've finally started padding out my site again after almost 2 years of slumber! illustration area might satisfy some needs: http://hawken.dadako.com/skillset.il....php?page=main I'm desperatly trying to get the pixel area open along with the rest of the site. Let me know if you find any of the navigation to be dumb etc, I've tried to make it all as userfriendly as possible... __________________ ere, wosson?

29-03-2004, 00:51	#2 (permalink)
TriPixels A Hardcore Relaxer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elizabethtown, KY, USA Posts: 230	Well, it's a nice site, but it just doesn't catch my attention. From the graphics work you have displayed there I can tell that you would surely be able to do much better than that. __________________ How much longer before you click on my link? CLICK MY LINK

29-03-2004, 04:32	#4 (permalink)
hawken Cornish Pasty Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,462	dan, I believe that Helvetica can be used by other designers. (did you know that I built the tDR site with the other Kleber dudes some time back?) I know for a fact that its not going to work on the mac properly because macs don't support activeX scripting The site design is about 3 years old!! However the content is not I hope that it serves as a decent vehicle for showing work Tripixels, and my job is done if the site its-self is fairly transparent. __________________ ere, wosson?

29-03-2004, 05:46	#7 (permalink)
hawken Cornish Pasty Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,462	small beer google picks up words from the body of html docs, not the head. ok here's what it looks like on 98% of viewers machines, thankfully! (I can't belive I used to stifle creativity and remove cool stuff just because 2% of browsers couldn't handle it) http://www.gtp.org.uk/junk.images/PC-ie6.1.jpg http://www.gtp.org.uk/junk.images/PC-ie6.2.jpg theres an animated background (which is just a small gif, but this basic funtionality seems to have been removed from mozzy) and transparent flash movies galore. __________________ ere, wosson?

29-03-2004, 08:05	#13 (permalink)
hawken Cornish Pasty Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,462	oh no, the nav used to be in DHTML and actually the whole template used to work on other browsers I believe. Now its in flash. If you can't see flash I'd reccomend another browser __________________ ere, wosson?

29-03-2004, 02:49	#3 (permalink)
dan Iris Folder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: smokey Posts: 2,676	I quite like. Maybe a bit too designers republic but nicely done. Oh and it works fine on my Mac (IE 5 OSX 10.2)

29-03-2004, 07:05	#12 (permalink)
Bill Posters trouble free and loverlee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: YooKay Posts: 2,930	I meant - what effects are you implementing on your nav? I like a bit of js/dhtml navigation stuff (though it's been a wee while since I concocted one for my own site).

29-03-2004, 09:34	#14 (permalink)
Bill Posters trouble free and loverlee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: YooKay Posts: 2,930	I can see flash just fine. Maybe the best way to see what I'm missing would've been to ask for a screenshot…

29-03-2004, 11:48	#15 (permalink)
hawken Cornish Pasty Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2,462	look up to the heavens my love... well a few posts up anyhow. btw I like you site, its got a lovelly sort of ordered but deconstructive quality __________________ ere, wosson?

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