[gotnousername]

Cheers.

[Maerk]

Nice improvement, have you considered a stacked version might be quite nice too.

[Alexanda]

very egyptian

[jack]

Thank fuck, I thought the first one was yours! (didn't see the update until I had scrolled down).

Nice and simple mate, I see where Maerk's coming from with the stacked option - but i like how the underlines working currently. You'd probably have to circle 'and' if it was stacked. The underline would leave the leading looking fucked.

[sub]

Much better but I think you should bring back the ampersand.

[emil]

watch the ri

[longisland6]

yes, i like the ampersand also...

[wheedwacker]

i dont know about the ampersand, it looks pretty good the way it is now

[dorian]

ampersand wont look with the underline.
unless you maybe handwrite the symbol same sketchy way as the undeline.

watch the ri

blah...

[emil]

sigh

[hawken]

why not give them something they can use without the need for text?

I kept the Rockwell font here but capitalised the P & D to match the flow of the font. Also one of those rare moments where italics could look nice.

anyway, food for thought.

[steveb]

The original revision is far superior. And sTop caPitalising inSide words, it loOks sHitty and igNorant like some BlOg FroM NeW JeRsEy. Kusottare no disaino desu ya.

[hawken]

its not inside words you monkey

anyhow, my main point is using some kind of shape to offset the words, that can then be used alone with no words.

no original revision can be superior. Otherwise we would all still be driving model T fords.

[steveb]

I was wondering about that. Thanks for the explanation. Try to understand "original REVISION", it means like the first kind of REVISION of something which pre-existed, a.k.a. the first version. The first new version was better.

Your point about the shape, or logo as we sometimes call it, is well taken. Shame it's already taken by a power tools company. So don't use that.

[cocknose]

I would suggest condensing it more and try the ampersand like previously posted. . . if i remember correctly Rockwell extra bold has an interesting ampersand!!!

[hawken]

Originally Posted by steveb

I was wondering about that. Thanks for the explanation. Try to understand "original REVISION", it means like the first kind of REVISION of something which pre-existed, a.k.a. the first version. The first new version was better.

Your point about the shape, or logo as we sometimes call it, is well taken. Shame it's already taken by a power tools company. So don't use that.

heh it doesn't have to be that logo

stop being a cunt

[sub]

Concept seems much better - I like the two groups of words being pulled together with a stylised hand-made graphic which I think gives it the human touch.

[imgoingout]

this last one is actually better, imo

[Limbo]

Good stuff.

Like you say - clean up your tracking/kerning a little and you're done.

[dorian]

Maybe it could use a different ampersand, more finesse, more movement as again it is just a illy brush at them mo.

Exactly. I'd make the ampersand bigger and maybe really handwritten(?!)... more improvised maybe? It doesn't have to match the typeface imo.

clean up your tracking/kerning a little and you're done.

i prefered it like it was in the first version....