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certus · 13-10-2006, 17:09

I actually posted this material under another forum. I apologize to anyone who finds the crosspost.

Looking for feedback.

Chemicalviper · 13-10-2006, 17:33

Wow really dont wanna do this.

JUST REFERRING to layout, not even gonna touch on your use of blue and green....

Overall layout is lacking.

1. Your rounded box is possitioned badly, maybe center, drop shadow it or something, or just completely knock it out, this is serving no purpose atm.

2. Do you need this spacing between home and this "anyone...anypurpose"

3. Space between graphic and navi bar... not needed.

4. Having issues distinguishing your imagery of the navigation (the letter in gradient on ur contacts navi bar spot)

Im gonna suggest looking at sites like: http://www.zymic.com/template_previe...id=83&cat_id=2

certus · 13-10-2006, 21:49

Thanks, your perspective is welcome.

PS · 14-10-2006, 09:45

im inclined to agree on them points, first thing you need to take into concideration is the rising resolution of browsing windows, as your site looks like its all pixel based layout it will stay the same on every screen, there will be a lot of wasted space on bigger monitors viewing the page.

Personally I would scrap the grey border and stretch the header out 100% along with the content, add a background repeat maybe to carry the illusion of the header continuing the the end of the full browser.

its best to try and take full advatage of space especially for sites selling products with lots of info etc, just noticed you dont have a footer either.

just my opinion, but i think it needs some tweaking, it seems that your site is trying to conform to older web browsing standards, very few people use a 800x600 screen resi now, only 17%, seems a loss to design the site best viewed for this percentage, 1024x768 is now 58%.

the beauty of % is it resizes depending on a users screensize, its just a little harder to get it to look right on all resolutions but i think its worth the effort.

jase1000 · 14-10-2006, 11:00

There is nothing positive I can say about this 'design'. Complete non-starter.

certus · 15-10-2006, 11:45

Thankyou for the feedback. It is giving me direction and ideas. The images are just initial work and not a operational site.

I am not a 'designer'. I am just trying to make a simple functional website.

jase1000 · 15-10-2006, 12:36

Even a simple, functional website needs to be designed.

If you're not a designer, and you want a halfway decent looking site, then I suggest you get in touch with one.

certus · 15-10-2006, 16:18

No, a designer is required when you want to step out of convention. jase1000 I don't think you know what design is and what convention is. Most sights are convention based. What I am making is a convention based product. What I need to learn are conventions.

Chemicalvyper knew this an referred me to a template gallery not to a designer. He may not like my blue and green (sky and grass) color selection, but his help was constructive.

freelancr · 15-10-2006, 16:26

Learn to spell what you are selling before telling others what they do and don't know.

jase1000 · 15-10-2006, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by certus

No, a designer is required when you want to step out of convention. jase1000 I don't think you know what design is and what convention is. Most sights are convention based. What I am making is a convention based product. What I need to learn are conventions.

Chemicalvyper knew this an referred me to a template gallery not to a designer. He may not like my blue and green (sky and grass) color selection, but his help was constructive.

What a load of crap, and your half-baked, amateurish layout proves it.

Come back and tell me what design is when you've produced something above the level of a playschool project.

freelancr · 15-10-2006, 17:18

Welcome to DT!

click here to add jase1000 to your ignore list

certus · 15-10-2006, 21:11

I want my work to be as simple to use as a playschool project.

I've rethought the left margin and have incorporated a bar to accomodate a variation on the shopping cart. The client's products cost over $10K so they want to have customers submit a request for quotation (RFQ) instead of an order.

freelancr, I am sure many would like to "ignore" jase1000

Transmogrify · 15-10-2006, 22:30

You're confusing "simple" with ugly and unattractive. Your designs are simple, but not in a good way. They're ugly and unattractive.

The header - the logo text is aliased. Redo the font with anti-aliasing turned on. And unless the font is the company logo, change that font. It must have been found on a site specialising in crap fonts. If it is their company logo, beg and plead with them to change it because it's ugly.

That image is completely out of place and it's terrible. No thought appears to be used in the placement of that image. You might want to use the image in some other way or just get rid but as it stands, it's no good. You could use the image (i assume the orignal was bigger than that) in a better way as an image in the header but on a larger scale, perhaps.

The gradiants and that green colour in the menu bar and the buttons is awful. The green is harsh and the icons in the menu bar are hard to recognise. The view buttons are also aliased as are the rounded ends on the menu. It's not difficult to produce smooth edges for things like those and so it appears to be just laziness or lack of attention to detail. I appreciate that this is either a mock up or work in progress though.

The drop down menus are too wide for the menu item. Make the whole site wider - use a liquid type layout and use the entire width of the users screen. Your design isn't such that you couldn't do this. If you get rid of that hideous image, then you'll have more to work with.

Check out http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/liquid/ for more help.

You probably wouldn't go far wrong taking a bit of influence from a "web 2.0" style site. Take a look at http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/current-style.cfm for some ideas. Completely contrived but you've already said you want to go with convention so it shouldn't be a problem.

certus · 16-10-2006, 02:05

Thank you, Transmogrify. Will see if I can generate mockups with anti-aliasing. I'm going to switch over to blue and see what comes up. The logo is completely flexible right now so I can ditch the fonts, but I need to incorporate a better version of the globe into the result.

The image is ugly as it is, but the original is quite good. Those little yellow boxes in the picture are the company's heaters. The boss says the picture stays in some form.

I will check out the sites you recommended.

I really appreciate the time you took to write your post.

certus · 16-10-2006, 04:05

Okay, toned down somewhat.

i3lance · 16-10-2006, 09:09

Still a way to go but definetely an improvement. I'm not keen on your choice of colours but that is purely a subjective opinion.

jase1000 · 16-10-2006, 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by freelancr

Welcome to DT!

click here to add jase1000 to your ignore list

Nice

Accurate · 16-10-2006, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by freelancr

Welcome to DT!

click here to add jase1000 to your ignore list

Thanks for that the boss was behind me as I struggled to close the damn thing

certus · 16-10-2006, 15:13

lol!

i3lance, I have just begun to read on color theory, so I have a ways to go yet. Thanks, everyone for the help.

freelancr · 16-10-2006, 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Accurate

Thanks for that the boss was behind me as I struggled to close the damn thing

quality!

13-10-2006, 17:09	#1 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	Site Layout I actually posted this material under another forum. I apologize to anyone who finds the crosspost. Looking for feedback. Attached Thumbnails

14-10-2006, 11:00	#5 (permalink)
jase1000 turd 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Right on your tit end Posts: 1,168	There is nothing positive I can say about this 'design'. Complete non-starter. __________________ Stand Free

15-10-2006, 12:36	#7 (permalink)
jase1000 turd 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Right on your tit end Posts: 1,168	Even a simple, functional website needs to be designed. If you're not a designer, and you want a halfway decent looking site, then I suggest you get in touch with one. __________________ Stand Free

15-10-2006, 21:11	#12 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	I want my work to be as simple to use as a playschool project. I've rethought the left margin and have incorporated a bar to accomodate a variation on the shopping cart. The client's products cost over $10K so they want to have customers submit a request for quotation (RFQ) instead of an order. freelancr, I am sure many would like to "ignore" jase1000 Attached Thumbnails

15-10-2006, 22:30	#13 (permalink)
Transmogrify Rough Creep Arse™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,894	You're confusing "simple" with ugly and unattractive. Your designs are simple, but not in a good way. They're ugly and unattractive. The header - the logo text is aliased. Redo the font with anti-aliasing turned on. And unless the font is the company logo, change that font. It must have been found on a site specialising in crap fonts. If it is their company logo, beg and plead with them to change it because it's ugly. That image is completely out of place and it's terrible. No thought appears to be used in the placement of that image. You might want to use the image in some other way or just get rid but as it stands, it's no good. You could use the image (i assume the orignal was bigger than that) in a better way as an image in the header but on a larger scale, perhaps. The gradiants and that green colour in the menu bar and the buttons is awful. The green is harsh and the icons in the menu bar are hard to recognise. The view buttons are also aliased as are the rounded ends on the menu. It's not difficult to produce smooth edges for things like those and so it appears to be just laziness or lack of attention to detail. I appreciate that this is either a mock up or work in progress though. The drop down menus are too wide for the menu item. Make the whole site wider - use a liquid type layout and use the entire width of the users screen. Your design isn't such that you couldn't do this. If you get rid of that hideous image, then you'll have more to work with. Check out http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/liquid/ for more help. You probably wouldn't go far wrong taking a bit of influence from a "web 2.0" style site. Take a look at http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/current-style.cfm for some ideas. Completely contrived but you've already said you want to go with convention so it shouldn't be a problem. __________________

13-10-2006, 17:33	#2 (permalink)
Chemicalviper p6 away from ass kicking Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 59	Wow really dont wanna do this. JUST REFERRING to layout, not even gonna touch on your use of blue and green.... Overall layout is lacking. 1. Your rounded box is possitioned badly, maybe center, drop shadow it or something, or just completely knock it out, this is serving no purpose atm. 2. Do you need this spacing between home and this "anyone...anypurpose" 3. Space between graphic and navi bar... not needed. 4. Having issues distinguishing your imagery of the navigation (the letter in gradient on ur contacts navi bar spot) Im gonna suggest looking at sites like: http://www.zymic.com/template_previe...id=83&cat_id=2

13-10-2006, 21:49	#3 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	Thanks, your perspective is welcome.

14-10-2006, 09:45	#4 (permalink)
PS Skubala happens Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Midlands Posts: 55	im inclined to agree on them points, first thing you need to take into concideration is the rising resolution of browsing windows, as your site looks like its all pixel based layout it will stay the same on every screen, there will be a lot of wasted space on bigger monitors viewing the page. Personally I would scrap the grey border and stretch the header out 100% along with the content, add a background repeat maybe to carry the illusion of the header continuing the the end of the full browser. its best to try and take full advatage of space especially for sites selling products with lots of info etc, just noticed you dont have a footer either. just my opinion, but i think it needs some tweaking, it seems that your site is trying to conform to older web browsing standards, very few people use a 800x600 screen resi now, only 17%, seems a loss to design the site best viewed for this percentage, 1024x768 is now 58%. the beauty of % is it resizes depending on a users screensize, its just a little harder to get it to look right on all resolutions but i think its worth the effort.

15-10-2006, 11:45	#6 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	Thankyou for the feedback. It is giving me direction and ideas. The images are just initial work and not a operational site. I am not a 'designer'. I am just trying to make a simple functional website.

15-10-2006, 16:18	#8 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	No, a designer is required when you want to step out of convention. jase1000 I don't think you know what design is and what convention is. Most sights are convention based. What I am making is a convention based product. What I need to learn are conventions. Chemicalvyper knew this an referred me to a template gallery not to a designer. He may not like my blue and green (sky and grass) color selection, but his help was constructive.

15-10-2006, 16:26	#9 (permalink)
freelancr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,152	Learn to spell what you are selling before telling others what they do and don't know.

15-10-2006, 17:18	#11 (permalink)
freelancr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,152	Welcome to DT! click here to add jase1000 to your ignore list

16-10-2006, 02:05	#14 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	Thank you, Transmogrify. Will see if I can generate mockups with anti-aliasing. I'm going to switch over to blue and see what comes up. The logo is completely flexible right now so I can ditch the fonts, but I need to incorporate a better version of the globe into the result. The image is ugly as it is, but the original is quite good. Those little yellow boxes in the picture are the company's heaters. The boss says the picture stays in some form. I will check out the sites you recommended. I really appreciate the time you took to write your post.

16-10-2006, 04:05	#15 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	Okay, toned down somewhat. Attached Thumbnails

16-10-2006, 09:09	#16 (permalink)
i3lance Read between da lines! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK, former Londoner Posts: 844	Still a way to go but definetely an improvement. I'm not keen on your choice of colours but that is purely a subjective opinion.

16-10-2006, 15:13	#19 (permalink)
certus Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 49	lol! i3lance, I have just begun to read on color theory, so I have a ways to go yet. Thanks, everyone for the help.

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