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pgo · 03-10-2006, 16:57

I have a hard time being constructive with this. It looks really amateurish and childish.

The colors are garish and offensive to look at. Smiley faces don't make me thing "This is an educated and talented graphic designer." - they make me think "This is a 15 year old kid who got his hands on a copy of Photoshop."

I think you need to start from scratch. And go to school or at least read a few design books.

poppinphresh · 03-10-2006, 17:11

I can see what you guys mean. I just took an illustration that I had done last year, threw it into photoshop and tried to make it work. Back to the drawing board.

chris_bcn · 03-10-2006, 17:36

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Originally Posted by detox

Good one. Childish insults are SO awesome.

I've always thought so

cocknose · 03-10-2006, 18:02

yeah.. i saw the alienware shit... hmmm...

Alexanda · 03-10-2006, 18:17

to be fair that alienware ad was toss, i was just trying to be nice and not say anything but your rant has made me want to comment.

Another note: anyone else notice it's mainly americans getting pissed off with the feedback (no offence pgo, didn't mean you)

cocknose · 03-10-2006, 18:17

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Originally Posted by poppinphresh

I can see what you guys mean. I just took an illustration that I had done last year, threw it into photoshop and tried to make it work. Back to the drawing board.

its ok mate.... everyone starts somewhere... just take a look at what luke said and pick up some books and best of all keep your eyes open!

Learn print process, an understanding of materials, colour theory, typography, grids and you will be set!...

The thing is software should be the last thing a designer learns....

Mik · 03-10-2006, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Luke A

Anyway, I don't know much about print but apparently these are good rules to follow:

- Do not use more than 3 colours
- Use at least 300dpi for anything other than photography
- Use Serif fonts, apparently easier to read, especially if the details are small font like email addresses.

hmmm. stick to web

cam · 03-10-2006, 18:25

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Originally Posted by cantona

Another note: anyone else notice it's mainly americans getting pissed off with the feedback (no offence pgo, didn't mean you)

Totally. I think people have to remember most folk here are happy with how things go on DT - the mix of funny put-downs and useful advice. Plenty of other boring forums that are moderated to hell if you like that sort of thing.

pgo · 03-10-2006, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by poppinphresh

I can see what you guys mean. I just took an illustration that I had done last year, threw it into photoshop and tried to make it work. Back to the drawing board.

Good choice. Don't be afraid to post your next attempt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantona

(no offence pgo, didn't mean you)

None taken, of course.

b v · 03-10-2006, 18:58

why is detox even here. shouldnt he be browsing bbforum or some shit

Megaton Cat · 03-10-2006, 19:03

poppinphresh: I'm not realling feeling it.

The smily looks pretty lame and I think the overall composition of the card is poor. The choice of text is too. As everyone else said, it's just a bad buisness card overall. Keep working, and remember to look back at your completed work from different prespectives.

Well that's all I have to say on it I guess.

People may not like Detox, but atleast he doesn't give one-word replies like "sodding crap" or an emoticon of a thumb down. Yes, some people can post work that's obviously bad. You may know WHY it's bad, because it'll be bluntly amateur work. Still means you gotta tell the person why.

edit: Haha, so the current insult fad is bashing the client the designer worked for? I dunno how stuff is in the UK, but in Canada/US you see those Alienware ads in every mag (and some bus stops). Who wouldn't want to do one for them? The rigs themselves are tight...so whoever said "wank/overpriced products" was probably using an MDG machine with an Alienware sticker placed on it by someone from the IT department.

Scott · 03-10-2006, 19:37

cat fight

Megaton Cat · 03-10-2006, 20:37

I only see one cat in here. A sexy one I might add. Meowr!

pgo · 03-10-2006, 21:11

Oh, God, he's a furry! Kill it!

poppinphresh · 04-10-2006, 01:00

Can anyone suggest any good websites, books or other resources for learning about the things mentioned above?

Alexanda · 04-10-2006, 05:14

Books
The New Typography – Jan Tschichold
Pioneers on Modern Typography – Herbert Bayer
Grid Systems in Graphic Design – Josef Muller Brockmann
Graphic Design as a Second Language – Bob Gill
Beware Wet Paint – Alan Fletcher
Stop Steeling Sheep and Find Out How Type Works – Erik Speikermann
Notes on Book Design – Derek Birdsall

Magazines
Domus (Architecture magazine with a great grid)
Emigre (back issues only)
Eye
Dot Dot Dot
Grafik
Idea

Sites
http://www.fontshop.com/features/typotips/
http://designforum.aiga.org/content....e&aid=537 383
http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/
http://www.pingmag.jp/category/graphics/
http://www.marksimonson.com/article/...talk-type-1977

Thats my good dead for the day, there are alot of others about but those are the only reference points I can think of off the top of my head.

Limbo · 04-10-2006, 05:14

A smile in the mind - great book to see how to mix satire and wit with design.
Stop stealing sheep - a short whats what in typography
How to be a designer without losing your soul - say no more.

Added: fair play cantona

destill · 04-10-2006, 05:20

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Originally Posted by Luke A

detox, you are an utter cock

hahahahaha

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Megaton Cat bellow average poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 560	poppinphresh: I'm not realling feeling it. The smily looks pretty lame and I think the overall composition of the card is poor. The choice of text is too. As everyone else said, it's just a bad buisness card overall. Keep working, and remember to look back at your completed work from different prespectives. Well that's all I have to say on it I guess. People may not like Detox, but atleast he doesn't give one-word replies like "sodding crap" or an emoticon of a thumb down. Yes, some people can post work that's obviously bad. You may know WHY it's bad, because it'll be bluntly amateur work. Still means you gotta tell the person why. edit: Haha, so the current insult fad is bashing the client the designer worked for? I dunno how stuff is in the UK, but in Canada/US you see those Alienware ads in every mag (and some bus stops). Who wouldn't want to do one for them? The rigs themselves are tight...so whoever said "wank/overpriced products" was probably using an MDG machine with an Alienware sticker placed on it by someone from the IT department. Last edited by Megaton Cat : 03-10-2006 at 19:13.

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Alexanda European Champions 2008 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,590	Books The New Typography – Jan Tschichold Pioneers on Modern Typography – Herbert Bayer Grid Systems in Graphic Design – Josef Muller Brockmann Graphic Design as a Second Language – Bob Gill Beware Wet Paint – Alan Fletcher Stop Steeling Sheep and Find Out How Type Works – Erik Speikermann Notes on Book Design – Derek Birdsall Magazines Domus (Architecture magazine with a great grid) Emigre (back issues only) Eye Dot Dot Dot Grafik Idea Sites http://www.fontshop.com/features/typotips/ http://designforum.aiga.org/content....e&aid=537 383 http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/ http://www.pingmag.jp/category/graphics/ http://www.marksimonson.com/article/...talk-type-1977 Thats my good dead for the day, there are alot of others about but those are the only reference points I can think of off the top of my head. __________________ whats facebook?

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Limbo Another turn. Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,021	A smile in the mind - great book to see how to mix satire and wit with design. Stop stealing sheep - a short whats what in typography How to be a designer without losing your soul - say no more. Added: fair play cantona __________________ CSS Search Engine

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pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	I have a hard time being constructive with this. It looks really amateurish and childish. The colors are garish and offensive to look at. Smiley faces don't make me thing "This is an educated and talented graphic designer." - they make me think "This is a 15 year old kid who got his hands on a copy of Photoshop." I think you need to start from scratch. And go to school or at least read a few design books.

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poppinphresh Web Designer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 77	I can see what you guys mean. I just took an illustration that I had done last year, threw it into photoshop and tried to make it work. Back to the drawing board.

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poppinphresh Web Designer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 77	Can anyone suggest any good websites, books or other resources for learning about the things mentioned above?

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