[Alexanda]

Agree with pgo.

[jase1000]

I think it's a well executed example of a particular style, and given that it's been drawn by hand it's unfair to dismiss the work as 'Just Photoshop Brushes'.

It does seem a bit thin on substance, but then again, when it looks this good, who cares?

[Justinraff]

would make a nice tshirt, that design.

[Megaton Cat]

It's pretty interesting how the people who've never produced an illustration in their life, or have only produced mediocre work, are raging on this design. Are you guys total trend-lovin' kitties now or what? Can't stand any work that isn't clean black type on a white background or flowy flowers around a picture of a female model?

And what's with the whole "But what's it supposed to illustrate" crap? Try asking that same question to 90% of the designs on threadless and you'll get an equal amount of blank stares.

It doesn't matter, all I know is the design instantly jumped out at me the moment I saw it. There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion on it, as negative as it may be. A simple "I don't like it" would probably do, rather then a wiseman-wannabe rant about why it's generic design.

The majority people on this thread were impressed, and I'm sure that if you show that design to an average non-designer guy on the street, he'll want it on a shirt too. Hell, if it was a cat and not a tiger, I'd want the damn shirt.

Personally, the whole vibe on this fourm is getting abit too unfriendly. I'm not just talking about this thread, but about the handful of people who posted here that post elsewhere. Like threads were beginners post their sites, and get lone comments like "don't bother" and "shit". Talk a case of blowing yourself all day long.

[lukasarts]

Unfortunately, thats the whole point of a forum- it's open to all. Unless people get downright personal, as mentioned previously in this thread, you have to take the rough with the smooth. If you get your back up over one bit of criticism (regardless of how baseless you think it may be) you wont last long in any creative industry. Granted, as a beginner, it wouldnt be nice to have someone dismiss your work with one word; however more often than not there's always someone prepared to give some time to properly assess the work that people put forward. There are a lot of talented and experienced people on this forum, its worth sticking around.

[mx]

Originally Posted by Megaton Cat

Try asking that same question to 90% of the designs on threadless and you'll get an equal amount of blank stares.

Personally I would disagree. The vast majority of designs I've seen on threadless are quite clearly illustrating an idea, some more original than others.

Though I like Detox's Lion, I largely agree with pat. Sure it lloks nice but I can't see any real concept behind it or what it's illustrating and it does look an awful lot like a lot of other designs that have taken the british lion and tweaked it around (e.g. gatecrashers logo etc).

Have a thicker skin Detox and fight your design corner; just don't get into a slagging match.

[i3lance]

Detox, chill out man,

Forums - The whole idea behind forums is to share open views mate, not for people to say "yes sir no sir three bloody bags full sir". if good to receive negative view in my opinion, then you begin to she "why it doens't always appeal to other audiences.

I don't agree with Pat on his opinion of the work (see my first post) but I agree with the freedomm of posting "subjectively opinionated" comments good or bad mate.

You do good work, it just doesn't appeal to all it's that simple.

Chill out geezer.

[pat]

Oh Dear Megaton Cat. So let's see - you want people to stop giving honest critique and just say 'i like' or 'i dont like', and the trend isn't blacktype on white, that piece is the trend and that's why people are moving away from it - it's shoddy, only shows an ability to use photoshop and slap some paint around a scanner. And everything has a purpose whether consciously or not - Designers on threadless' site's purpose is to appeal to buyers so the shirt sell. The point of critique is to share your opinions on this piece,which we've done, most of civily enough (until detox asked me to STFU) - so if you can't handle that, you won't manage much in design

[pat]

Sorry, I'm well stoned so that probably makes no sense. But i still stand by it.

[i3lance]

Originally Posted by pat

Sorry, I'm well stoned so that probably makes no sense. But i still stand by it.

Mick Jagger style baby!! Seriously, it does make sense though.

"Can't we all just get along?"

[R1gM]

I thought the point of showcase was you post knowing it can get slated???

Dunno maybe I am just used to clients going "now whats this white shit here about?" and it happens to be an effect you quite liked. Surely negative is to be taken with positive. problem with forums you get bedroom designers with their latest copy of "WebDesigner" passing comment along with people who do it for a profession. You will always get a spread of opinion on various styles and taste.

I thought the use of colour was good. I can appreciate the effort of the scanned textures but agree the lion is so familiar I think it detracts from what you actuallly did and may give the impression it is just a load of texture brushes thrown together.

[Megaton Cat]

@Pat:

As stated many times, I'm not against honesty or harsh crit. But there's still a visible difference between harsh constructive crit and telling someone their personal methods and styles are shit and boring. Someone can easly say arranging clothes and paperclips into typography is stupid and childish and the guy who came up with it really needs to move his ass to learn how to use a 2d app. Obviously a comment like that would tick you, because you were just being creative.

@General population

People can take crit, but it's alot harder to take non-constructive crit from bloated bastards who's own work doesn't exactly justify thier constant douchebaggery. Just because you have a kind-of-creepy quadruple post count under your name doesn't exactly make you hot shit.

Hope you don't take that too much to heart. But ofcourse you won't, because I just expressed my opinion in a focused way, which you like to see right?

Well, I'm done. That was sorta aimed at a few members on here who I think need to pop a few of their baloons and come down closer to earth's atmosphere. Even if you're an award winning veteren designer working from your own luxurious design studio in Manhatten, I still wouldn't respect you if you act like a prick. It's all about how you treat people.

[detox]

First off let me say that I really don't mind an honest critique from someone who knows what they're talking about, but when it comes out as rude as it did in Pat's comments I can't stand for it.

There have been comments in this thread from people that do not like the illustration but I'm not getting up in arms about it. Why? Because they used this thing called tact in their comments. Pat unfortunately for him has none of that.

I'm also not too sure what is even wrong with "textures thrown together". The style is deconstructive/grunge. Since when was it anything more than that?

I'll gladly admit, there is very little concept behind this illustration rather than for it to look good. I feel that I achieved that, plain and simple.

[poppinphresh]

Nice work, I really like the colours. The only thing that bothers me is the lion's lowest foot. Everything else about the lion is nice and defined but then thats just a big blob.

[i3lance]

Originally Posted by Megaton Cat

People can take crit, but it's alot harder to take non-constructive crit from bloated bastards who's own work doesn't exactly justify thier constant douchebaggery. Just because you have a kind-of-creepy quadruple post count under your name doesn't exactly make you hot shit.

Very well said. It is clear that everyone has a valid case in many respects...

...so on a lighter note is everyone gonna hug now?

[Megaton Cat]

I rekon we can all hug now.

I brought the booze last week, so it's someone elses turn now...

[pat]

Since when has 'boring' been rude in an open critique asking opinions. I personally find it boring. You were the one who told me to shut the fuck up. It comes down to opinion, nothing more. I find your piece very formulaic, and boring - that's my opinion on it - if it were an illustration that i personally liked but didn't have a purpose, i wouldn't mind. Tact? Crap. Critique doesn't call for tact.

Just dry your eyes, and accept my comment as the asked-for, valid opinion that it is.

[detox]

LOL you're a funny guy.

[pat]

Originally Posted by Megaton Cat

@Pat:

As stated many times, I'm not against honesty or harsh crit. But there's still a visible difference between harsh constructive crit and telling someone their personal methods and styles are shit and boring. Someone can easly say arranging clothes and paperclips into typography is stupid and childish and the guy who came up with it really needs to move his ass to learn how to use a 2d app. Obviously a comment like that would tick you, because you were just being creative.

Haha, biting - it doesn't matter, and also a shoddy argument, trying to piss on my opinion of someone elses by telling me how shit yout hink mine is. Opinion judged by an opinion.

We all have different styles, mine being unlikely typography for a part, yours being to constantly use cats in your design. Not sure which'll go further in the design industry. Childish would be to call someone elses obviously concept-groudned idea 'stupid' in a debate about another person's piece?

Stupid, also, to decide that being able to use photoshop is more important than creative expression.

Sorry to be so pernickety, but unpicking that commetn shows it to be a heap of turd, but it's your opinon which i accept.

[Megaton Cat]

trying to piss on my opinion of someone elses by telling me how shit yout hink mine is.

Can you not read or something?

"Someone can easly say..."

I have said nothing about that particular work of yours, and I don't mind it either. Got a self-esteem problem or something? That would the only explanation why you jump at people like that. Again, all the stuff I said about your type work was only used as example.

I'm very much against trying to shit on other people by taking a shot at their work, as it's abit too much of an obvious action.

Christ, talk about being insecure...