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conuur · 07-08-2006, 12:19

I dont want to interrupt, but do you know a good graphic design book?

pgo · 07-08-2006, 13:04

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/372...lance&n=283155
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/088...704062?ie=UTF8
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159...704062?ie=UTF8

I only have that last one, but the first two are fairly well regarded. Someone who's a graphic designer can probably give you better answers.

For color, the only answer is anything by Johannes Itten. His books were a common presence in both the fine art department and design department.

http://www.amazon.com/s/002-0576564-...hannes%20Itten

Scott · 07-08-2006, 13:50

i didn't view all the work on show, simply because the site took FOREVER to load. Its too much INYOURFACE with the 97 metal feel for my liking.

30equals · 07-08-2006, 13:55

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Originally Posted by BlueSteel

i didn't view all the work on show, simply because the site took FOREVER to load.

i agree.

BrunoSerge · 07-08-2006, 14:03

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Originally Posted by pgo

I think you have some decent work and I agree with adras that your photography really stands out above the design work. I might not be a professional photographer, but that doesn't mean I don't have taste or don't know anything about photography.

Your design work isn't that great - pretty average to be honest. Of course, it's better than a lot of what comes through here. For me, it's too showy - too many gradients and filters and dropshadows and "Layer effects" in general - too much like all those tutorial sites and things you find on sites like www.pixel2life.com. Granted, graphic embellishments can reinforce a brand, but generally speaking all that stuff, in most cases, just distracts from the essential purpose of design, which is communication.

You've obviously got good software skills, but I highly recommend picking up a book or two on graphic design. And one on proper web design with XHTML/CSS - like most of us professional web designers.

The thing is, you're not a professional photographer, and you're not even a professional designer. You're a web developper. According to your opinion, I should drop the "embellishments", as you call it, and focus on coding (even thought I and other designers now work with web developpers - that's why you can see sites in my portfolio like www.genxy.net or http://wt.genxy.net - or are you insinuating that those sites are badly coded? Those are e-commerce sites (CSS, PHP, XHTML), totally customizable through the backend by the client).

Frankly, what you just said is typical coming from a coder like you. Go do your little CSS thing with last-hour designs, and leave a designer doing what he knows best. You'll need a pure designer to do the "too showy" thing that you hate so much - Your denial state is hilarious.

d*d · 07-08-2006, 14:08

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Originally Posted by BrunoSerge

The thing is, you're not a professional photographer, and you're not even a professional designer. You're a web developper.

c'mon your not a professional designer either, you need a degree to be a professional

cocknose · 07-08-2006, 14:17

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Originally Posted by d*d

c'mon your not a professional designer either, you need a degree to be a professional

class...

Narate · 07-08-2006, 14:19

Well you dont, but his work aint gaphic design, I think its more suited for the Porn Site industry or Vin Diesel fan sites.

Also, since when did someone need to be a professional Photographer to be able to tell what good photography is?

ryanarts · 07-08-2006, 15:11

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Originally Posted by BrunoSerge

The thing is, you're not a professional photographer, and you're not even a professional designer. You're a web developper. According to your opinion, I should drop the "embellishments", as you call it, and focus on coding (even thought I and other designers now work with web developpers - that's why you can see sites in my portfolio like www.genxy.net or http://wt.genxy.net - or are you insinuating that those sites are badly coded? Those are e-commerce sites (CSS, PHP, XHTML), totally customizable through the backend by the client).

Frankly, what you just said is typical coming from a coder like you. Go do your little CSS thing with last-hour designs, and leave a designer doing what he knows best. You'll need a pure designer to do the "too showy" thing that you hate so much - Your denial state is hilarious.

Dude, he's more professional than you'll ever be.
This is 2006, web designers build the front end of websites...that's what they do, while the developers handle the backend work. Oh, and the html on those site's is shit! I don't care who done it.
Your very arrogant, your not a good designer, your living in the past, and you let developers do the work that you should be doing.

Narate · 07-08-2006, 15:20

You get the pitchforks and I'll get the wooden fire stick things

conuur · 07-08-2006, 15:36

wooden torches?

pgo · 07-08-2006, 15:51

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Originally Posted by BrunoSerge

A bunch of uneducated bullshit born of insecurity and ignorance.

I tried to be nice and put forward a dignified and constructive response, but if you want to have a petty and childish "whip it out and see whose is bigger" contest, then forget it.

I have to get back to work. I don't have the time to waste on narrow-minded narcissists.

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I think its more suited for the Porn Site industry or Vin Diesel fan sites.

Haha, so true. Maybe Counter-Strike clans or something.

BrunoSerge · 07-08-2006, 22:18

Haha, whatever.

iCraig · 08-08-2006, 10:32

Fine, what do you want us to do? Lie to you?

Yeah your sites are fantastic, coded brilliantly and full of innovative ideas.

There.

fetusface · 08-08-2006, 11:21

Buddy,

im sorry but I dont consider your work at all 'great'. You cant even handle a little crit of your work. You will never make it with that. ever.

And no your work is NOT that amazing. Like the others said before me....its all rehashed design http://www.genxy.net/ are you kidding me? How many sites have I seen like this before.

Someone tries to compliment you on your photography skills and you instantly get on your back screaming about how you are a designer first. Come on.

Come back in a few years and lets see how far you actually come with that work + attitude.

edit> your music sounds like linkin park = le shit

dtrenz · 08-08-2006, 16:07

hey there, this is my 1st post here, so go easy...

i see a couple things in this thread that bother me:

a) being a "professional" does not require a degree in anything, only that you regularly earn money in a profession. how many professional musicians went to the berklee college of music, or Julliard?

b) what's wrong with using dreamweaver? or are you specifically referring to dreamweaver WYSIWYG designing? I use dreamweaver in "coder" mode only, because notepad is lacking and homesite, um.. well, is now dreamweaver.

btw bruno, i think you got the response you did because you posted here to brag not to welcome constructive criticism, and if there is one thing i have learned as a "professional" developer, it's that you can't please everybody. you could redesign a text-only website that hasn't been touched since 1998 and get dozens of users demanding your head on a platter for changing it.

my point is, you have to take the criticism with the praise.

BrunoSerge · 08-08-2006, 16:50

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Originally Posted by dtrenz

hey there, this is my 1st post here, so go easy...

i see a couple things in this thread that bother me:

a) being a "professional" does not require a degree in anything, only that you regularly earn money in a profession. how many professional musicians went to the berklee college of music, or Julliard?

b) what's wrong with using dreamweaver? or are you specifically referring to dreamweaver WYSIWYG designing? I use dreamweaver in "coder" mode only, because notepad is lacking and homesite, um.. well, is now dreamweaver.

btw bruno, i think you got the response you did because you posted here to brag not to welcome constructive criticism, and if there is one thing i have learned as a "professional" developer, it's that you can't please everybody. you could redesign a text-only website that hasn't been touched since 1998 and get dozens of users demanding your head on a platter for changing it.

my point is, you have to take the criticism with the praise.

Well, you're right, but forgive me if I see a forum as a place where people have healthy discussions. Pardon me for not passively taking in everything I read. I thought that was what forums were made for.

I tried to start debating and a handful of users started saying I'm arrogant and what not, so that makes me conclude that these people don't know how to behave in a social debate or even in a forum. They apparently were offended because I wasn't bending over immediately to take in what they were saying. That is arrogance, from my point of view. What do you think?

That's why, from a certain point on you didn't see me saying anything else - they just behaved like hooligans, taking pleasure in destroying whatever was on display - and I'm cool with that. But that doesn't show a lot of maturity coming from these members in this forum I just joined.

dtrenz · 08-08-2006, 17:07

your tone was very arrogant.

when you say things like: "...even though I have no degree in design I instantly feel that I will probably kick their butt on it, because there's a LOT of designers, but very few are actually good."
people tend not to respond well to that kind of cockiness.

you don't have to "bend over" but you have to be prepared for both negative and positive feedback.

i mean, i'm new here, but i did notice that the description of this "showcase" forum was "A chance to shine. Get critique and advice."

you apparently only wanted to "shine."

BrunoSerge · 08-08-2006, 17:22

I do believe that there's a lot of designers but few are really good, smart and with good taste. My comment can be interpreted as cocky, but I trusted the other members to have common sense. I was wrong I guess.

But you're right, since then I got a lot of negative feedback, though it wasn't very convincing most of the time. It seemed to come more from the heart than from the brain.

I didn't want to shine, I wanted to debate. When a client tells a designer "I don't like a or b", the designer's job is to explain his point of view to allow the client to make a decision knowing the 2 sides. Correct? But here they were severely outraged by that simple professional action. Do you agree with their attitude?

cocknose · 08-08-2006, 17:35

STOP bein sooo L.A.
Its because of people like you that makes the rest of the world hate americans...
You give the U.S of A the bad rep.
All those poor lovely people have to have a bad reputation because of the small majority of people like yourself... Stop bein so self richeous ...
maybe now people are critiquing from there hearts and not there heads, but don't you think there is a reason for that?
this many people can not be bastards just for the fun of it without a reason, can they?....
GO AWAY...

07-08-2006, 13:50	#23 (permalink)
Scott sanddancer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: South Shields Posts: 2,998	i didn't view all the work on show, simply because the site took FOREVER to load. Its too much INYOURFACE with the 97 metal feel for my liking. __________________ flick me

08-08-2006, 16:07	#36 (permalink)
dtrenz blam blam Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ann arbor, mi usa Posts: 528	hey there, this is my 1st post here, so go easy... i see a couple things in this thread that bother me: a) being a "professional" does not require a degree in anything, only that you regularly earn money in a profession. how many professional musicians went to the berklee college of music, or Julliard? b) what's wrong with using dreamweaver? or are you specifically referring to dreamweaver WYSIWYG designing? I use dreamweaver in "coder" mode only, because notepad is lacking and homesite, um.. well, is now dreamweaver. btw bruno, i think you got the response you did because you posted here to brag not to welcome constructive criticism, and if there is one thing i have learned as a "professional" developer, it's that you can't please everybody. you could redesign a text-only website that hasn't been touched since 1998 and get dozens of users demanding your head on a platter for changing it. my point is, you have to take the criticism with the praise.

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07-08-2006, 12:19	#21 (permalink)
conuur Stolen Sheep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 51	I dont want to interrupt, but do you know a good graphic design book?

07-08-2006, 13:04	#22 (permalink)
pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/372...lance&n=283155 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/088...704062?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159...704062?ie=UTF8 I only have that last one, but the first two are fairly well regarded. Someone who's a graphic designer can probably give you better answers. For color, the only answer is anything by Johannes Itten. His books were a common presence in both the fine art department and design department. http://www.amazon.com/s/002-0576564-...hannes%20Itten

07-08-2006, 14:19	#28 (permalink)
Narate Royalty™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester (UK) Posts: 3,273	Well you dont, but his work aint gaphic design, I think its more suited for the Porn Site industry or Vin Diesel fan sites. Also, since when did someone need to be a professional Photographer to be able to tell what good photography is?

07-08-2006, 15:20	#30 (permalink)
Narate Royalty™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester (UK) Posts: 3,273	You get the pitchforks and I'll get the wooden fire stick things

07-08-2006, 15:36	#31 (permalink)
conuur Stolen Sheep Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 51	wooden torches?

07-08-2006, 22:18	#33 (permalink)
BrunoSerge Your daddy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 77	Haha, whatever.

08-08-2006, 10:32	#34 (permalink)
iCraig official stapler owner Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 156	Fine, what do you want us to do? Lie to you? Yeah your sites are fantastic, coded brilliantly and full of innovative ideas. There.

08-08-2006, 11:21	#35 (permalink)
fetusface ™™™™™™™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 487	Buddy, im sorry but I dont consider your work at all 'great'. You cant even handle a little crit of your work. You will never make it with that. ever. And no your work is NOT that amazing. Like the others said before me....its all rehashed design http://www.genxy.net/ are you kidding me? How many sites have I seen like this before. Someone tries to compliment you on your photography skills and you instantly get on your back screaming about how you are a designer first. Come on. Come back in a few years and lets see how far you actually come with that work + attitude. edit> your music sounds like linkin park = le shit

08-08-2006, 17:07	#38 (permalink)
dtrenz blam blam Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: ann arbor, mi usa Posts: 528	your tone was very arrogant. when you say things like: "...even though I have no degree in design I instantly feel that I will probably kick their butt on it, because there's a LOT of designers, but very few are actually good." people tend not to respond well to that kind of cockiness. you don't have to "bend over" but you have to be prepared for both negative and positive feedback. i mean, i'm new here, but i did notice that the description of this "showcase" forum was "A chance to shine. Get critique and advice." you apparently only wanted to "shine."

08-08-2006, 17:22	#39 (permalink)
BrunoSerge Your daddy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 77	I do believe that there's a lot of designers but few are really good, smart and with good taste. My comment can be interpreted as cocky, but I trusted the other members to have common sense. I was wrong I guess. But you're right, since then I got a lot of negative feedback, though it wasn't very convincing most of the time. It seemed to come more from the heart than from the brain. I didn't want to shine, I wanted to debate. When a client tells a designer "I don't like a or b", the designer's job is to explain his point of view to allow the client to make a decision knowing the 2 sides. Correct? But here they were severely outraged by that simple professional action. Do you agree with their attitude?

08-08-2006, 17:35	#40 (permalink)
cocknose Banned™ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,723	STOP bein sooo L.A. Its because of people like you that makes the rest of the world hate americans... You give the U.S of A the bad rep. All those poor lovely people have to have a bad reputation because of the small majority of people like yourself... Stop bein so self richeous ... maybe now people are critiquing from there hearts and not there heads, but don't you think there is a reason for that? this many people can not be bastards just for the fun of it without a reason, can they?.... GO AWAY...

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