[j_polo9]

Well here is the layout, still working on the logo. Client wanted 4 rows of navigation, though usually only the first two will be used. The two boxes are for advertisements. Let me know what i should improve on!

[Tim]

I find the navigation very confusing to be honest, way to busy for my like.
There is realy way to much text, i should embed some nice pictures and make short paragraphs with "read more".

[Stickman]

Its a box of content with too many tabs on top.

I'd start again - and plan it first.

[jthomas]

This seems like it's going to be a very information-heavy site. So you may want to simplify the heck out of it. Try to design it in a way that when the user gets there, they have no idea how complex the site really is. I would say that the current nav suggests that "I'll never make it through this site." You kind of have to lead them through all the content, starting at the home page, rather than leave it entirely up to them. Use intelligent content/design (not talking about programming) on the first page that kind of reaches out a helping hand and leads them through what they are most likely looking for. And provide easy ways to trail off from that main line of content to sub-content, and then even easier ways back to the main line they were following. And eliminate as many of the nav elements as possible. I'd say the look is nice though. Smooth. Hope some of that was useful.

p.s. how'd the business cards turn up?

jt

[j_polo9]

stickman what do you mean plan it out more? Im not in charge of deciding the content and the actual links, just the design. What would u do differently for the design to make it clearer?

the text is just a quick filler so it's not empty but i think there is definately too much text there.

jthomas, yea just not sure hot to simplify it. Need to show two levels of navigation because i willl sometimes need to use four levels, and the last two will be drop down boxes. Your input is helpful but i don't fully understnad it. Any chance u can elaborate a bit? Ahh business cards were put on hold. I finally decided i didn't like the stupid starburst so no i'm going with this other idea that i have to touch up before printing. I'll post it up here before i do though for input!

[j_polo9]

updated with the logo. Here it is so u don't have to scroll:

[pat]

the style of the site doesn't match the style of the logo - wobbly hand drawn stuff on top of shiny gradients doesn't do it from where i'm sat.

[sean_r]

Could you try having the logo in white? It's verry hard to see black on that dark blue. Perhaps you could try a more interesting heading font to be inkeeping with the logo?

[j_polo9]

ahh thanks. the font is from house ind. its the flyer font disengage. Anyway client likes as is so unless any really good ideas come up this is probably the final. Just curious what other font you had in mind? Thanks!

[sean_r]

Didn't have a particular font in mind. But one like you'r drawn one.

Such as the article on typography oli posted a while back, http://www.istockphoto.com/article_view.php?ID=153, I'm refering to the sub-heading. I think somthing like that sould help bring it together a bit more? Also, not convinced by the gradients... But if you and the client are happy, don't kill yourself.

[j_polo9]

ahh sweet thanks. lol i printed that article out but forgot to read it and now i don't know where it is. No time like the present i suppose!