[akdiver]

Hey

This is my second website so there are plenty of errors.
I know the links arnt working properly in ff and ns. Any ideas or comments to improve my site would be great. Thanx.

http://www.holidayatulladulla.com.au

[vince]

looks like a bollocksandwich =)

[Sampson]

check out these books

Launching the Imagination: A Comprehensive Guide to Basic Design

Paul Rand: A Designer's Art


good luck

[pgo]

Originally Posted by akdiver

I know the links arnt working properly in ff and ns.

It's because you're coding it wrong and FF and NN are rendering it as it's coded.

<tr>
<a href="activities.htm">
<td class="a" onMouseOver="this.className='ahover';" onMouseOut="this.className='aout';">
ACTIVITIES
</td>
</a>
</tr>

<a> is an inline element and therefore cannot wrap around a block level element (<td>). Once you learn to do it correctly, it should look like...

<li><a href="activities.html">Activities</a></li>

You shouldn't be using tables for layout. You should learn proper HTML or XHTML and then learn CSS to add in all the pretty stuff. Check the web standards forum for plenty of resources on this.

It doesn't look good, but it's got potential. The masthead image is way, way, way too big (your 800x600 users might not even see the content!!) - learn how to use Photoshop to make images that don't have artifacts and jagged edges. It needs to be re-coded desperately - so it will work cross-browser. It looks like the code was generated by FrontPage or some other awful program. You should really learn to do it by hand. Don't need JavaScript - it's not necessary.

It's obvious you're a beginner - and you've got a lot to learn.

If you're serious about designing for the web, you need to learn something about aesthetics and then learn the coding languages - XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript. In that order. There are many books and thousands of online references that will teach you good coding practices and also the basics of visual design.

If not, let professionals do it.

Good luck.

[emil]

perfect.

[d*d]

It's harder than it looks this web design lark.
the aesthetic qualities need to be looked at, it lacks a design theme - the pictures need some attention and the colours used are too harsh, picture text looks fuzzy.

Start again with a design layout programme such as illustrator, once you have a design your happy with, recreate it in code

[finbarr]

well one things for sure... this site is not going to attract holidaymakers to this region of NSW. Sorry but it looks fucking awful!
You need to take a look at some decent designs for holiday sites - this is one thats always stuck in my mind because it says a lot about the places its advertising without saying too much.
Failing that just take a look at cool homepages and get some inspiration from them

[pat]

Originally Posted by vince

looks like a bollocksandwich =)

Your site's a fuck-up in IE 6, XP

[gray]

Originally Posted by pat

Your site's a fuck-up in IE 6, XP

fine here

[briljant oranje]

it is a bit of an abortion.

like the others said - you need to get the visual side down. if it looks shit, you can be the best coder in the world (you've got a long way to go here too), but it'll still look shit.

as the saying goes, you can't polish a turd.

[top_buzz]

Or! You can't make chicken soup out of chicken shit

[pat]

Originally Posted by briljant oranje

as the saying goes, you can't polish a turd.

um, no.

[akdiver]

Hey i fixed up most of my errors. Thanx to the people who tried to help. And to those who told me it was plain bad tell me why and what can be done. Ive seen the site so many times ive come oblivious to the imperfections. Lucky i have thick skin hey but dont be so harsh on peoples projects.

[Sampson]

It sucks when your designs gets beat down in a critic, but it's soooo werth it! Just think, we get to tear it to pieces before the public gets too.... if you settle for the later then your client gets torn to pieces.

Ask questions and take criticisms.

[pgo]

Originally Posted by akdiver

Hey i fixed up most of my errors. Thanx to the people who tried to help. And to those who told me it was plain bad tell me why and what can be done. Ive seen the site so many times ive come oblivious to the imperfections. Lucky i have thick skin hey but dont be so harsh on peoples projects.

Most people aren't being harsh for the sake of it. I can't speak for all, but I'm willing to say that most are trying to be helpful. I gave you plenty of good advice. The code is basically the worst I've ever seen. You should learn HTML, then proceed to learning CSS, then get good at them and at graphic production and then start building sites professionally.

And, if you're using Frontpage, which I have a sneaking suspicion - stop using it.

Here's some more errors: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbos...adulla.com.au/

[finbarr]

Originally Posted by akdiver

Hey i fixed up most of my errors. Thanx to the people who tried to help. And to those who told me it was plain bad tell me why and what can be done. Ive seen the site so many times ive come oblivious to the imperfections. Lucky i have thick skin hey but dont be so harsh on peoples projects.

you got off very lightly - believe me! If you take a look around some of the numerous template sites you wont see any sites that look like yours. Theres a reason for that. I'm not suggesting you design a site that looks like a template but what you should see is that there is a level of quality about them. That is the level you should be aiming for designwise if you can. Unfortunately your site is well below the expectation of others that post here and all the advice youve been given is aimed at improving your skills.

[davidvesty]

Originally Posted by pgo

It's because you're coding it wrong and FF and NN are rendering it as it's coded.

<tr>
<a href="activities.htm">
<td class="a" onMouseOver="this.className='ahover';" onMouseOut="this.className='aout';">
ACTIVITIES
</td>
</a>
</tr>

<a> is an inline element and therefore cannot wrap around a block level element (<td>). Once you learn to do it correctly, it should look like...

<li><a href="activities.html">Activities</a></li>

You shouldn't be using tables for layout. You should learn proper HTML or XHTML and then learn CSS to add in all the pretty stuff. Check the web standards forum for plenty of resources on this.

It doesn't look good, but it's got potential. The masthead image is way, way, way too big (your 800x600 users might not even see the content!!) - learn how to use Photoshop to make images that don't have artifacts and jagged edges. It needs to be re-coded desperately - so it will work cross-browser. It looks like the code was generated by FrontPage or some other awful program. You should really learn to do it by hand. Don't need JavaScript - it's not necessary.

It's obvious you're a beginner - and you've got a lot to learn.

If you're serious about designing for the web, you need to learn something about aesthetics and then learn the coding languages - XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript. In that order. There are many books and thousands of online references that will teach you good coding practices and also the basics of visual design.

If not, let professionals do it.

Good luck.

I think maybe he learn a little about design before swallowing all that bollocks

[pgo]

Originally Posted by davidvesty

I think maybe he learn a little about design before swallowing all that bollocks

...

Originally Posted by pgo

you need to learn something about aesthetics and then learn the coding languages

[leotardster]

I like it.