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sub · 06-09-2005, 20:32

Okay, so the client has finally agreed one of the 10 logo designs put forward. The one they have decided to run with wasn't one of my personal faves, but it was a step in the right direction. Then, just as things start to move on they drop a "we want to see it in comic sans" on me.

I wouldn't normally publish a client's project, but I can't see how I can make it work and I'm too goddam tired of explaining why the design is fine as it is. Any suggestions greatly appreaciated.

sub · 06-09-2005, 20:37

Sorry, I should've mentioned a "we want to see it in comic sans" is meant as a metaphor for "put it in an orange box with lime green text" etc etc etc

Transmogrify · 06-09-2005, 22:00

dunno, I quite like it. Tell your client to stop moaning and just to accept the work as it is. Everyone will be much happier.

pgo · 07-09-2005, 00:11

Do what you can to convince them that Comic Sans is possibly one of the worst fonts you could select. It's ugly and unelegant, tasteless, and classless. I give it four thumbs down.

Anyway, it looks like an Adobe logo kind of - the butterflies and their color, mostly.

adras · 07-09-2005, 00:25

If they want to use other colors for the bg and text, tell them that the logo wouldn't come out in faxes and photocopies as well as it is now.

Sometimes I just do what the client wants even though it looks like shit - hey its their logo not mine, if I don't really like it and I'll just simply put my fave one of the concept logos I did in my portfolio instead of the final one.

emil · 07-09-2005, 03:45

I like this one very much except the inner shadows on the butterflies.
Try and show them what they want, sometimes that might put them off. If they still don't get it just cash the money and leave them be. You've done your best, it's not your job to teach people what taste is...

PS One thing that would convince them maybe would be a really bad choice of the colours they suggested. More often than not, the people I know can't tell the difference between a fully saturated orange, and one that has lots of black in it... You get what I mean I hope

Mik · 07-09-2005, 03:48

i think butterflys in designs are as old as my ma.

sub · 07-09-2005, 05:53

They've blown the whole idea out the window this morning anyway - waste of fucking time.

emil · 07-09-2005, 06:07

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Originally Posted by subcircle

They've blown the whole idea out the window this morning anyway - waste of fucking time.

Fuck'em go have a pint or something

sub · 07-09-2005, 06:21

Cheers Emil, think I'll do that - probably nearer lunch-time though

Job's still invoicable which I guess is what it's all about.

If anyone can find a use for it I'd love to know my work hasn't gone completly to waste!

aspiramedia · 07-09-2005, 08:31

What font is that?

sub · 07-09-2005, 09:24

It's a modified version of Times!

Grondie · 10-09-2005, 22:00

Without knowing anything about your client, I'd say that the logo is pretty good.

This advice is too late, but you're on bad footing with your client if they're giving you the "Comic Sans" treatment. What you need to do is demonstrate that you've used your expertise to produce something that works, and is within thier budget. There's nothing wrong with reworking the logo for another 3 hours, so long as they're willing to pay for it.

Narrow down their choices to options with little variation, and be firm.

I learned this lesson far too many times. In fact, something similar is happening right now with a web project that got completely derailed because the client went totally "comic sans" on me when it came to the logo.

Like Emil said - ditch the inner shadows. They could cause reproduction woes in the future.7

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sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,860	"We want to see it in comic sans" Okay, so the client has finally agreed one of the 10 logo designs put forward. The one they have decided to run with wasn't one of my personal faves, but it was a step in the right direction. Then, just as things start to move on they drop a "we want to see it in comic sans" on me. I wouldn't normally publish a client's project, but I can't see how I can make it work and I'm too goddam tired of explaining why the design is fine as it is. Any suggestions greatly appreaciated. Last edited by sub : 17-10-2006 at 06:18.

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adras Zły Join Date: May 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,149	If they want to use other colors for the bg and text, tell them that the logo wouldn't come out in faxes and photocopies as well as it is now. Sometimes I just do what the client wants even though it looks like shit - hey its their logo not mine, if I don't really like it and I'll just simply put my fave one of the concept logos I did in my portfolio instead of the final one. __________________ Be Crisp (tm)

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06-09-2005, 20:37	#2 (permalink)
sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,860	Sorry, I should've mentioned a "we want to see it in comic sans" is meant as a metaphor for "put it in an orange box with lime green text" etc etc etc

06-09-2005, 22:00	#3 (permalink)
Transmogrify Rough Creep Arse™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1,888	dunno, I quite like it. Tell your client to stop moaning and just to accept the work as it is. Everyone will be much happier.

07-09-2005, 00:11	#4 (permalink)
pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	Do what you can to convince them that Comic Sans is possibly one of the worst fonts you could select. It's ugly and unelegant, tasteless, and classless. I give it four thumbs down. Anyway, it looks like an Adobe logo kind of - the butterflies and their color, mostly.

07-09-2005, 03:45	#6 (permalink)
emil dt immigrant Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bucharest - Romania Posts: 7,588	I like this one very much except the inner shadows on the butterflies. Try and show them what they want, sometimes that might put them off. If they still don't get it just cash the money and leave them be. You've done your best, it's not your job to teach people what taste is... PS One thing that would convince them maybe would be a really bad choice of the colours they suggested. More often than not, the people I know can't tell the difference between a fully saturated orange, and one that has lots of black in it... You get what I mean I hope

07-09-2005, 03:48	#7 (permalink)
Mik Magazines™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glasgow.. Posts: 11,886	i think butterflys in designs are as old as my ma.

07-09-2005, 05:53	#8 (permalink)
sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,860	They've blown the whole idea out the window this morning anyway - waste of fucking time.

07-09-2005, 06:21	#10 (permalink)
sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,860	Cheers Emil, think I'll do that - probably nearer lunch-time though Job's still invoicable which I guess is what it's all about. If anyone can find a use for it I'd love to know my work hasn't gone completly to waste!

07-09-2005, 08:31	#11 (permalink)
aspiramedia Unregistered user Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 312	What font is that?

07-09-2005, 09:24	#12 (permalink)
sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,860	It's a modified version of Times!

10-09-2005, 22:00	#13 (permalink)
Grondie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 38	Without knowing anything about your client, I'd say that the logo is pretty good. This advice is too late, but you're on bad footing with your client if they're giving you the "Comic Sans" treatment. What you need to do is demonstrate that you've used your expertise to produce something that works, and is within thier budget. There's nothing wrong with reworking the logo for another 3 hours, so long as they're willing to pay for it. Narrow down their choices to options with little variation, and be firm. I learned this lesson far too many times. In fact, something similar is happening right now with a web project that got completely derailed because the client went totally "comic sans" on me when it came to the logo. Like Emil said - ditch the inner shadows. They could cause reproduction woes in the future.7

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