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grafiks · 03-11-2004, 15:13

How the hell do you get noticed on a search engine. I have a website that I need to promote but I have a promotion company working on our behalf but the ranking is not amazing. any tips? We currently appear on page of www.google.co.uk

matt designer · 03-11-2004, 15:29

what site are you trying to rank?

grafiks · 03-11-2004, 15:50

www.vomfassuk.com i want to list under liqueurs, olive oil, whiskey, spirits, vodka etc

oli · 03-11-2004, 16:55

seo is whole nother ball game, best left to monkeys not designers; it only makes us bored.
Go talk to some freaks at http://www.seochat.com and http://www.webmasterworld.com

grafiks · 03-11-2004, 18:18

lol never a truer word spoken

Brown · 04-11-2004, 05:05

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Originally Posted by grafiks

www.vomfassuk.com i want to list under liqueurs, olive oil, whiskey, spirits, vodka etc

well, vodka is mentioned once on the home page, within the keywords - that's not gonna get you too far.

You've missed the point of HTML having different elements to define text. Your headings are spans classed as heading - they should be h2's or whatever the structure of your document dictates.

Also, the tables you've used do not help se's understand your content properly. You have a list of products that is not actually a list - its seperated by table cells. If you were to use a definition list, then se's would know that you have a list of products and what the products are.

I know you've just re-built this site but it should have been with a little more attention to modern site construction, there are resons for it beyond confusing developers who don't understand how you can do it without tables.

Not sure if anyone else has seena difference in the last week but there's been a google update and all my xhtml sites have benefitted from being properly coded. new se clusty (http://clusty.com) seems to give preference to xhtml documents too.

grafiks · 08-11-2004, 08:55

ok I just checked my site on this url

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...Ecom+%2Dpppppp

and it seems to only recognise two static HTML pages in my webroot as apposed to seeing all of my dynamic pages. Is this a major problem as well.

Brown · 08-11-2004, 09:06

yep. that's a piss poorly written portal page if ever i've seen one.

if you turn off javascript then you can't see any of the pages in your site - which is what google is doing - googlebots are not javascript enabled clients so they're gonna see no content what so ever.

you need to re-think your entry point.

Brown · 08-11-2004, 09:08

you've got:

<META NAME="robots" CONTENT="INDEX,FOLLOW">

follow what? there are no links in the page.

ever heard of <noscript> tags?

grafiks · 08-11-2004, 10:00

mate I am a designer - everything you have said so far has been like a low flying plane over a very tall man wearing a top hat The site is driven by a cms so i need to adjust the pages to google will read the data from the database on the template pages. But I do not know how to do this.

update:

Ok I get what the hell you were on about and all I can say is arrrrrrrrghhhhh

I still need to divert to my cms driven page but I shouldnt be doing it with javascript instead I should use something like this:

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=www.vomfassuk.com/grafiks/cms/page.asp?378">

is this right and would this now work

Brown · 08-11-2004, 10:32

grafiks · 08-11-2004, 10:37

I cant do that because our content changes on a weekly basis that would defeat the option of using a cms if I had to reproduce the siter as a static HTML document or am I still being thick

Brown · 08-11-2004, 10:39

depends on how your cms is written. check your pm's.

grafiks · 08-11-2004, 10:46

just did check yours

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grafiks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 360	ranking How the hell do you get noticed on a search engine. I have a website that I need to promote but I have a promotion company working on our behalf but the ranking is not amazing. any tips? We currently appear on page of www.google.co.uk

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grafiks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 360	mate I am a designer - everything you have said so far has been like a low flying plane over a very tall man wearing a top hat The site is driven by a cms so i need to adjust the pages to google will read the data from the database on the template pages. But I do not know how to do this. update: Ok I get what the hell you were on about and all I can say is arrrrrrrrghhhhh I still need to divert to my cms driven page but I shouldnt be doing it with javascript instead I should use something like this: <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=www.vomfassuk.com/grafiks/cms/page.asp?378"> is this right and would this now work Last edited by grafiks : 08-11-2004 at 10:35.

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03-11-2004, 15:29	#2 (permalink)
matt designer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 22	what site are you trying to rank?

03-11-2004, 15:50	#3 (permalink)
grafiks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 360	www.vomfassuk.com i want to list under liqueurs, olive oil, whiskey, spirits, vodka etc

03-11-2004, 16:55	#4 (permalink)
oli Free Ring Ding™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,502	seo is whole nother ball game, best left to monkeys not designers; it only makes us bored. Go talk to some freaks at http://www.seochat.com and http://www.webmasterworld.com

03-11-2004, 18:18	#5 (permalink)
grafiks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 360	lol never a truer word spoken

08-11-2004, 08:55	#7 (permalink)
grafiks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 360	ok I just checked my site on this url http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...Ecom+%2Dpppppp and it seems to only recognise two static HTML pages in my webroot as apposed to seeing all of my dynamic pages. Is this a major problem as well.

08-11-2004, 09:06	#8 (permalink)
Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,211	yep. that's a piss poorly written portal page if ever i've seen one. if you turn off javascript then you can't see any of the pages in your site - which is what google is doing - googlebots are not javascript enabled clients so they're gonna see no content what so ever. you need to re-think your entry point.

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Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,211	you've got: <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="INDEX,FOLLOW"> follow what? there are no links in the page. ever heard of <noscript> tags?

08-11-2004, 10:32	#11 (permalink)
Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,211	<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0"; url="grafiks/cms/page.asp?378"> that is nothing to do with javascript, that should be placed inbetween your <head> tags. thing is, google will not read that either. how abut making a copy of your actual content page and calling it index.html - then have all the links going to the full pages within your site. what you could do is this: <noscript> <a href="grafiks/cms/page.asp?378" title="vomfast">Vomfast</a> <a href="grafiks/cms/page.asp?378" title="vodka">Vodka</a> <a href="grafiks/cms/page.asp?378" title="slipper thing">slipper thing</a> </noscript> noscript works like it suggests, it'll display that info to people (and se's) which do not read javascript.

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grafiks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 360	I cant do that because our content changes on a weekly basis that would defeat the option of using a cms if I had to reproduce the siter as a static HTML document or am I still being thick

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Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,211	depends on how your cms is written. check your pm's.

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grafiks Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 360	just did check yours