Old 19-12-2003, 07:20   #21 (permalink)
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Web Definition: pug - small compact smooth-coated breed of Asiatic origin having a tightly curled tail and broad flat wrinkled muzzle

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Old 19-12-2003, 07:48   #22 (permalink)
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funny, WordWeb (http://wordweb.info/free/) has exactly the same definition! Word for word.
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Old 19-12-2003, 14:17   #23 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Bill Posters
How can Google be considered a monopoly when by their own admission...

[quote from google-watch.org]Google is one of about four search engines that matter. There are many more than four engines, but only about four have the technology to crawl most of the web on a regular basis.[/quote from google-watch.org]
Yes, true, but you must admit a monopoly similar to what they have in the search engine market, would not be tolerated in any other industry. Microsoft doesn't have near the market share they have, and it seems like they're always in court for anti-trust/anti-monopoly reasons. That itself is a WHOLE other issue ntm the fact that Microsoft doesn't get near the love that Google does and we're comparing apples to oranges.

Anyway, I'm past that point...my point was more along the lines that not every practice Google employs is respectable. Google-watch.org wouldn't exisit without this premise (and I'm glad you read some of it btw). I use Google almost every day, but I choose to be a skeptic.

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They got to their numbr 1 slot by being the best at what they do and capturing the public's imagination, not through unfairly dominating the alternatives or being the only choice.
Do you think the average person using AOL or Yahoo! knows their search is powered by Google? Those are quite large alternatives that are, well for lack of a better phrase, dominated by Google.
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Old 20-12-2003, 04:52   #24 (permalink)
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Yes, true, but you must admit a monopoly similar to what they have in the search engine market, would not be tolerated in any other industry.

I don't have to admit it because I simply don't agree with it.
Four main players in SE market. Three in the OS market.

Given that all search engines are free to use from the start, the market is open to all who wish to throw their hat into the ring.
What do you think Google has done that has been anti-competitive?
What do you think it has done that restricts the choice of users?

Given that Google is a non-embedded search engine, how can it be deemed as monopolistic in the face of embedded engines such as AOL and MSN?
Given that it *is* the number one SE of choice people have had to come to it.

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Microsoft doesn't have near the market share they have

You're absolutely right. MS's market share is considerably higher than Google's meagre 29-36% market share.

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Originally Posted by Worldwide Client and Server Operating Environment Market Forecast and Analysis, 2002-2007
c/o WinNetMag

Server OS market share:
MS: 55.1%
Linux: 23.1
...

Desktop OS market share:
Windows: 93.2%
Mac OS: 2.9
Linux: 2.3

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Originally Posted by Nielsen NetRatings
Search Engine Ratings February 25, 2003

Google: 29.5%
Yahoo: 28.9
MSN: 27.6
AOL: 18.4
Ask Jeeves: 9.9
Overture: 4.8
InfoSpace: 4.5
Netscape: 4.4
AltaVista: 4.0
Lycos: 2.4
Earthlink: 2.0
LookSmart: 1.7
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Originally Posted by OneStat.com
Google: 55.2%
Yahoo: 21.7
MSN Search: 9.6
AOL Search: 3.8
Terra Lycos: 2.6
Altavista: 2.2
Askjeeves: 1.5

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Do you think the average person using AOL or Yahoo! knows their search is powered by Google? Those are quite large alternatives that are, well for lack of a better phrase, dominated by Google.

Do you have reason to believe that Google's contributory status with Yahoo and AOL was achieved through foul means rather than fair?
There are also other powers behind Yahoo such as Overture. In fact, the market is much more incestuous than simply stating that Google powers Yahoo and AOL.
Even accounting for the incestuousness of the search engine market and how that may distort SE market share figures, not one figure gives Google a market share higher than the 93.2% that MS enjoys.

I appreciate that you have certain views Oto, but the facts of the matter simply don't support the accusation of a Google monopoly.
The Google-watch articles contain more childish diatribe than considered examination and relies on emotive language to make its points and whip up the anti-Google sentiment.
Looking through the list of points about Google, I can see that some of them are outright wrong. But then why let facts get in the way of a good rant, eh?
It's simply tabloid journalism and there are better places to get you information.

More info:
Nielsen NetRatings Search Engine Ratings
Who powers who?
Google Grabs Globe, U.S. to Yahoo!
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Old 20-12-2003, 05:23   #25 (permalink)
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Im a mac user (duh!) and i get irritated when I go to help somone on their PC at work with IE when theyre trying to access a site and they put the whole www.malarkey in MSNs search field rather than the proper address field in IE. Also the way if you miss of the www. in IE on windows it searches for it with MSN rather than trying without the www. then with it (i could be wrong, maybe it tries without the www. then searches but it definatly doesnt add the www itself).

Seems MS is training its users to be idiots (which is funny as MacOS was always seen as the computer idiots OS - unfairly IMHO) or its about to lose the address field completly and force users to use the MSN search engine.

And those damn bar ads that go huge when you roll over - gahhh.
IE on a pc seems a really bad choice of browser
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Old 20-12-2003, 07:14   #26 (permalink)
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You are wrong - it does add the www. - it searches with msn when the address cant be found.
IE on pc may be a bad choice, but is also the most widely used combination on the web.
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Old 20-12-2003, 07:52   #27 (permalink)
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the www is to do with server set up not the browser.
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Old 20-12-2003, 08:14   #28 (permalink)
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it seemed to do it with pretty much any address i put in.

i couldnt remember if it added the www. but it definatly went to msn search when it couldnt find the domain without www.
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Old 20-12-2003, 08:22   #29 (permalink)
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that's not a default setting in the browser either, that's an option you have to turn on.
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Old 21-12-2003, 08:59   #30 (permalink)
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There's a nice keyboard shortcut in IE - PC for .com addresses. Type in your site name, for example:

malarky

then hit control & enter...

You get a nice formatted .com address like this and site browsing begins automatically:

http://www.malarky.com/

PS-Bill, thanks for the lecture (AGAIN)...I hope you didn't spend too much time researching it, because as I said, everyone's opinion of Google is too rosy and "my point was more along the lines that not every practice Google employs is respectable".
...Have a nice holiday.

I'm off for a week for holiday vacation. Later all! ...and to all a good night.
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Old 22-12-2003, 07:54   #31 (permalink)
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