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millie_v · 27-02-2008, 13:58

Is there any way to view the php source of an html page? That is, is there anyway to request that the server send the page without processing? There are some people out there doing some interesting work with wordpress and other php based cms but it's hard to understand what they are actually doing when all you can see is the html.

mike_m · 27-02-2008, 14:13

not possible.

millie_v · 27-02-2008, 14:25

Really? Not possible? That's such a bummer. After a little reading it looks like a lot of people use php for coding security. However, I think that one of the beautiful things about html is that anyone can view the source and see exactly what's going. It's a real unifying principle, it's also how I (and I bet a lot of other people) started to learn web stuff. I think development happens in a more exciting way when everyone has access to everything, not just programmers. Granted programmers are going to be the driving force behind innovation, but I also think it takes people with absolutely no code experience to put two pieces of code together in an unexpected way. That's where the real internet magic happens.

Blackbox · 27-02-2008, 14:30

It's server side, HTML is client side.

herkalees · 27-02-2008, 14:31

If you're looking to view the source of PHP for learning purposes, go here instead: PHP 101: PHP For the Absolute Beginner

d3mcfadden · 27-02-2008, 15:38

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Originally Posted by millie_v

Is there any way to view the php source of an html page? That is, is there anyway to request that the server send the page without processing?

That would make for good security...

millie_v · 27-02-2008, 15:43

No. It would make for good development.

d3mcfadden · 27-02-2008, 15:46

How in the fuck would that make for good development???? It would make it easy for clowns like you to steal source code... that's about it. You are obviously confused..

By the way... wordpress is open source, so you can go download the source right from the website instead of trying to view the inter-workings through a browser.

herkalees · 27-02-2008, 15:58

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Originally Posted by herkalees

If you're looking to view the source of PHP for learning purposes, go here instead: PHP 101: PHP For the Absolute Beginner

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iblastoff · 27-02-2008, 16:32

you are obviously confused by what php is. there are an unlimited amount of php applications you can simply download and view their inner workings to your hearts content. what is actually stopping you from doing this i have no idea.

pgo · 27-02-2008, 16:50

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Originally Posted by millie_v

No. It would make for good development.

No, it would make every PHP based site on the internet completely insecure and render all security measures pointless.

bluesage · 27-02-2008, 17:33

as mentioned, you can easily download open source php applications, scripts and classes on the internet and study them.

you could also print out certain data using var-dump

cam · 28-02-2008, 04:13

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Originally Posted by pgo

No, it would make every PHP based site on the internet completely insecure and render all security measures pointless.

Was that the security through obscurity argument being raised?

Larixk · 28-02-2008, 05:01

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Originally Posted by pgo

No, it would make every PHP based site on the internet completely insecure and render all security measures pointless.

that would mean any open source php project is, by definition, insecure

which obviously isn't true.

freelancr · 28-02-2008, 05:34

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Originally Posted by cam

Was that the security through obscurity argument being raised?

I concur, BURN THE WITCH!

woodss · 28-02-2008, 06:14

He's trying to steal FaceBook

pgo · 28-02-2008, 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larixk

that would mean any open source php project is, by definition, insecure

which obviously isn't true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam

Was that the security through obscurity argument being raised?

I think you guys misunderstood me. I was referring to the idea that we should be able to "view source" of the PHP on live websites...are you saying you think that's a good idea?!

cam · 28-02-2008, 11:10

I don't think it's a good idea, no.

Saying 'it would make every PHP based site on the internet completely insecure' is a bit of a stretch though.

Hunch · 28-02-2008, 17:36

I think it's a good idea to consider all code, especially code sitting under a web server, to be inherently insecure. Would I write a fairly low risk e-shop in PHP - yeah probably. Would I use PHP for a banking site? Fuck no.

.sleep · 28-02-2008, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Hunch

Would I use PHP for a banking site? Fuck no.

just hard html that shit.

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millie_v Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3	Really? Not possible? That's such a bummer. After a little reading it looks like a lot of people use php for coding security. However, I think that one of the beautiful things about html is that anyone can view the source and see exactly what's going. It's a real unifying principle, it's also how I (and I bet a lot of other people) started to learn web stuff. I think development happens in a more exciting way when everyone has access to everything, not just programmers. Granted programmers are going to be the driving force behind innovation, but I also think it takes people with absolutely no code experience to put two pieces of code together in an unexpected way. That's where the real internet magic happens. Last edited by millie_v : 27-02-2008 at 15:28.

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Blackbox Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 17	It's server side, HTML is client side.

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millie_v Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3	No. It would make for good development.

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d3mcfadden Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: - Posts: 694	How in the fuck would that make for good development???? It would make it easy for clowns like you to steal source code... that's about it. You are obviously confused.. By the way... wordpress is open source, so you can go download the source right from the website instead of trying to view the inter-workings through a browser.

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Hunch Grumpy old man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Japan Posts: 1,617	I think it's a good idea to consider all code, especially code sitting under a web server, to be inherently insecure. Would I write a fairly low risk e-shop in PHP - yeah probably. Would I use PHP for a banking site? Fuck no.

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