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gray · 15-01-2004, 14:41

i really need to become more advanced with an ssl.. which one would yous reccomend in terms of learning curve and usefulness?

cheers

Bill Posters · 15-01-2004, 15:20

PHP for me.
I'm just getting my head round the basics, but its semantic/structural similarity to javascript (which I'm already reasonably up on) is making the going easier than I expected.

I may be wrong, but to me it eems as though there are a greater number of assistive resources for php than the alternatives.

smallbeer · 15-01-2004, 15:34

PHP the best choice by far unless you were gonna become a code monkey in industry then ASP might be best but even that's changing these days.

greenfruit · 15-01-2004, 15:34

php all the way

gray · 15-01-2004, 16:19

php it is

thanks

oli · 15-01-2004, 16:33

may I suggest www.programmingtalk.com ?

php is definately the way to go for ease of learning and support

roto · 15-01-2004, 18:23

PHP #1...although I'm no programmer, I work closely with a programmer we outsource with to create glorious PHP back ends, user interfaces, pages that are updatable on the fly, etc.

It's amazing what he's able to create in PHP (in a short time, too), and what I've picked up from working with him along the way.

Mr Fred · 16-01-2004, 04:02

php for me but as an employer I would look for someone versed in two languages. Try coldfusion (macromedia) it is very good. I like the intergration with flash.

roto · 16-01-2004, 12:58

updated January 20th
ASP is STILL getting a good old fashioned ass whoopin' in the poll. Someone, plz, give it a vote...

or not.

LD100 · 08-02-2004, 18:28

For me, these two langs couldn't be compared... The best language is the language that suits more for the specific project...

PHP works on both windows and unix systems, but it's "native enivornment" is unix. ASP works on MS systems.

For a small projects there's no big difference of which language to choose. For big projects you mainly have to choose the PLATFORM, not a language...

urbanvictim · 26-02-2004, 12:53

Actually, you can get ASP for Linux, just that you don't get a lot of the functionality that you'd use it for on Windows. Therefore, PHP > ASP.

gray · 26-02-2004, 12:55

sheesh its worse than a pc/mac debate

macs rule

greenfruit · 26-02-2004, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by gray

macs rule

that they do

stickmus · 30-03-2005, 10:31

Anyone seen this?

http://www.mamp.info/en/home/

Luke Redpath · 30-03-2005, 11:46

PHP, without a doubt. It is far more flexible than ASP. I say this as somebody with over 4 years ASP experience. I'd never go back.

And with PHP5, and it's incredibly improved OOP, its certainly a good competitor for the likes of JSP and .NET.

I'd certainly advise getting your head around OOP concepts and related methodologies, and design patterns etc. to get the best out of something like PHP5 though.

Some cool advanced PHP stuff:

http://www.phppatterns.com
http://propel.phpdb.org/
http://creole.phpdb.org/
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147

Luke Redpath · 30-03-2005, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by LD100

For a small projects there's no big difference of which language to choose. For big projects you mainly have to choose the PLATFORM, not a language...

True, but if you are going to do a large/enterprise project on a Windows platform, ASP is still not gonna cut it, you'd be looking at something like the .NET framework then. So ASP still loses

d*d · 05-04-2005, 09:18

i see a lot more positions asking for ASP programmers than php - if php is the better language (and I'm sure it is) why is it not the most popular commercialy?

greenfruit · 05-04-2005, 10:00

Maybe less people know asp

Luke Redpath · 05-04-2005, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by d*d

i see a lot more positions asking for ASP programmers than php - if php is the better language (and I'm sure it is) why is it not the most popular commercialy?

Probably because some businesses are slow to embrace open-source technologies..perhaps they like the fact that you can get some kind of commercial support contract for Microsoft technologies...I have a feeling this will change in the coming years though now IBM are throwing their weight behind PHP. I guess ASP matured before PHP did, so it had a head start too.

sleepingfish · 05-04-2005, 10:47

I don't know a great deal about ASP and PHP, but the developer's here seem to be pretty convinced that ASP.NET is superior to PHP, I hear words like "actually a proper programming platform" etc.

I've seen people who've worked with ASP and PHP generally prefer PHP, but I've never heard a comparison between .NET and PHP.

Now if I'm completely honest I don't care if they're using the best code or not, but would be interested in hearing the thoughts of someone who has used both ASP.NET anmd PHP.

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15-01-2004, 14:41	#1 (permalink)
gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,728	php or asp ? i really need to become more advanced with an ssl.. which one would yous reccomend in terms of learning curve and usefulness? cheers

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smallbeer I Ain't Losing Any Sleep™ Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,236	PHP the best choice by far unless you were gonna become a code monkey in industry then ASP might be best but even that's changing these days. __________________ That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch.

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greenfruit sflwa.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southsea Posts: 515	php all the way __________________ [OAP] somefool

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oli Free Ring Ding™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 9,533	may I suggest www.programmingtalk.com ? php is definately the way to go for ease of learning and support __________________ ..................

15-01-2004, 15:20	#2 (permalink)
Bill Posters trouble free and loverlee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: YooKay Posts: 2,887	PHP for me. I'm just getting my head round the basics, but its semantic/structural similarity to javascript (which I'm already reasonably up on) is making the going easier than I expected. I may be wrong, but to me it eems as though there are a greater number of assistive resources for php than the alternatives.

15-01-2004, 16:19	#5 (permalink)
gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,728	php it is thanks

15-01-2004, 18:23	#7 (permalink)
roto This is it - ground zero. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paper St. Posts: 4,200	PHP #1...although I'm no programmer, I work closely with a programmer we outsource with to create glorious PHP back ends, user interfaces, pages that are updatable on the fly, etc. It's amazing what he's able to create in PHP (in a short time, too), and what I've picked up from working with him along the way. __________________ fun: HGC v.4 \| last.fm: DT \| me \| *oi! fck u roto: ...via meebo! New to interweb design?** Your friends at dt can help.

16-01-2004, 04:02	#8 (permalink)
Mr Fred Magazines™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glasgow.. Posts: 11,275	php for me but as an employer I would look for someone versed in two languages. Try coldfusion (macromedia) it is very good. I like the intergration with flash.

16-01-2004, 12:58	#9 (permalink)
roto This is it - ground zero. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Paper St. Posts: 4,200	updated January 20th ASP is STILL getting a good old fashioned ass whoopin' in the poll. Someone, plz, give it a vote... or not. __________________ fun: HGC v.4 \| last.fm: DT \| me \| *oi! fck u roto: ...via meebo! New to interweb design?** Your friends at dt can help. Last edited by roto : 20-01-2004 at 12:16. Reason: update on ASP's ass whoopin'

08-02-2004, 18:28	#10 (permalink)
LD100 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kiev, Ukraine Posts: 8	For me, these two langs couldn't be compared... The best language is the language that suits more for the specific project... PHP works on both windows and unix systems, but it's "native enivornment" is unix. ASP works on MS systems. For a small projects there's no big difference of which language to choose. For big projects you mainly have to choose the PLATFORM, not a language...

26-02-2004, 12:53	#11 (permalink)
urbanvictim The Gyroscope Man Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East Coast, Singapore Posts: 29	Actually, you can get ASP for Linux, just that you don't get a lot of the functionality that you'd use it for on Windows. Therefore, PHP > ASP.

26-02-2004, 12:55	#12 (permalink)
gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,728	sheesh its worse than a pc/mac debate macs rule

30-03-2005, 10:31	#14 (permalink)
stickmus hmmm... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Yorkuk Posts: 2,130	Anyone seen this? http://www.mamp.info/en/home/

30-03-2005, 11:46	#15 (permalink)
Luke Redpath Barney army! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London Posts: 696	PHP, without a doubt. It is far more flexible than ASP. I say this as somebody with over 4 years ASP experience. I'd never go back. And with PHP5, and it's incredibly improved OOP, its certainly a good competitor for the likes of JSP and .NET. I'd certainly advise getting your head around OOP concepts and related methodologies, and design patterns etc. to get the best out of something like PHP5 though. Some cool advanced PHP stuff: http://www.phppatterns.com http://propel.phpdb.org/ http://creole.phpdb.org/ http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147 __________________ Luke Redpath .::. Software Engineer .::. Reevoo - Real Reviews From Real Customers

05-04-2005, 09:18	#17 (permalink)
d*d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,054	i see a lot more positions asking for ASP programmers than php - if php is the better language (and I'm sure it is) why is it not the most popular commercialy?

05-04-2005, 10:00	#18 (permalink)
greenfruit sflwa.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southsea Posts: 515	Maybe less people know asp __________________ [OAP] somefool

05-04-2005, 10:47	#20 (permalink)
sleepingfish css is for divs Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Norwich Posts: 4,524	I don't know a great deal about ASP and PHP, but the developer's here seem to be pretty convinced that ASP.NET is superior to PHP, I hear words like "actually a proper programming platform" etc. I've seen people who've worked with ASP and PHP generally prefer PHP, but I've never heard a comparison between .NET and PHP. Now if I'm completely honest I don't care if they're using the best code or not, but would be interested in hearing the thoughts of someone who has used both ASP.NET anmd PHP.

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