[cfjedimaster]

Originally Posted by freelancr

I read this too, but they aren't exactly on the ball with it, pretty sure Macromedia were prepared to dump it before they merged.

Um, and your basis for this is what? I'm very familiar with people who were in the former Macromedia and this was never the case. And what exactly is 'on the ball with it'? Eh? Adobe has been doing major press/tours/etc to promote CF8, so perhaps you could back this up a bit?

Originally Posted by freelancr

Also your comment about MS "could drop dot net" is total bollocks, if they dumped dot net then they might aswell dump this too:
- Silverlight
- IIS
- Vista
- Server
- C#
- J#
- VB.NET
- C++ CLI
- Visual Studio
- MS SQL
- Office
- every other single fucking microsoft product currently supported since 2002.

I suppose I can concede this point - but any commercial company can dump a product. Again, show me the proof that you have that Macromedia/Adobe is planning or was planning on dumping CF>

Originally Posted by freelancr

What exactly would they dump dot net in favour for, considering they have spent the last 5 years building all of their software around it.

I haven't heard anything about CF for years until the other day, hardly got an interested userbase has it.

Um, hasn't Macromedia/Adobe been work on CF for just as long? CF had it's 10th birthday a while back.

[cfjedimaster]

Originally Posted by adrianoh

On hosting pricing wise, i'm talking about windows or linux hosting, for CF hosting, you need another app server, which is CF Server running on top of either linux or window, thus making much pricier. Just take a look at the price and you will know that for sure your hoster will pass the cost to you.

"You know that for sure..." Um, again, you can find cheap CF hosting. You can find expensive hosting. The exact same applies to .Net, PHP, etc. At the end of the day you get what you pay for. If you want to host your business on a 5 dollar a month host, be my guest, but don't be surprised if their uptime is not stellar.

Originally Posted by adrianoh

Originally, windows hosting cost more than linux hosting (windows server 2003std cost USD 600+ vs Linux practically FREE), but since things has changed in the landscape due to MS actually has a special pricing plan for solution provider. They know they want a piece of the shared hosting market as it's a platform battle they cannot afford to lose. Else whatever .net will become .nut, at least in the SME sectors.

And you can find good pricing for CF hosting as well. Do you think Adobe doesn't make these kind of deals as well?

[pgo]

Do you work for Macrodobia?

Never thought I'd see someone who was so passionate about ColdFusion. The web's bastard stepchild.

Honestly, and this isn't me saying it, most professional programmers I know think CF is a joke - a pseudo programming language that doesn't even look like a programming language.

While you probably can find affordable CF hosting, proprietary solutions won't be able to beat open source alternatives anytime soon. So any server based on FOSS is going to be cheaper by default.

I would venture to say that if someone is looking to be marketable, they move into ASP/.NET, Ruby/RoR, PHP, or JSP. Any of our more programming-oriented friends want to back me up on that?

I mean, for every CF job I see advertised, I probably see 100 for the big languages.

[Blue Ire]

Originally Posted by pgo

Do you work for Macrodobia?

Never thought I'd see someone who was so passionate about ColdFusion. The web's bastard stepchild.

Honestly, and this isn't me saying it, most professional programmers I know think CF is a joke - a pseudo programming language that doesn't even look like a programming language.

While you probably can find affordable CF hosting, proprietary solutions won't be able to beat open source alternatives anytime soon. So any server based on FOSS is going to be cheaper by default.

I would venture to say that if someone is looking to be marketable, they move into ASP/.NET, Ruby/RoR, PHP, or JSP. Any of our more programming-oriented friends want to back me up on that?

I mean, for every CF job I see advertised, I probably see 100 for the big languages.

Meh, the guys name is "cfjedimaster" - no matter how many times you point out CFs flaws, or lack of developer support (for a damn good reason) he'll still cry about it being the best think since Beer... kinda like trying to tell an ostrich why flying is better for birds