[Pedro]

Does anyone know where I can source copy/tamper proof paper? The kind of paper that won't replicate in scanners and such?
[edit] Just thought I'd mention that I have stfw, there's no joy outside of California- bit far for Devon UK.

If I needed to design one myself, how hard is it, and would I need to source a specialist printer? I'm not too great with illustrator, but I'm hotcakes on photoshop, would this be worth investing time in?

Fankooo!

[Mandy Moo]

Eh? I'm confused (scratch head).

Wouldn't that kind of paper have to bear a hologram like they do on money and stuff?

[Maerk]

Yeah I rather thought the copy proofing was because of several built in recognition factors into the money and scanner itself. So short of being the government I'd say it was pretty hard...

[dment]

I'm not sure of the exact details, but I saw a certificate like that once. (your talking real paper right?) Anyway, the certificate had a series of dots (kinda like in the days of dot matrix printers, except smaller). In certain parts, the dots thinned out. Then in order for this not to be seen by the naked eye when held up to light, there was a distracting water mark across the whole paper.
Anyway, when you photocopied the paper, the places where the dots thinned out became much more obvious and had the words VOID VOID VOID all over the paper. The dots were almost the same color as the paper so they wouldn't normally be noticed. It was only when I photocopied it and I knew where to look that I actually noticed it.
Really this is just a little background how to make it yourself, but you'd have to have watermarked paper already.

[Pedro]

Thanks for the replies

The reason I/my company need the paper is for non-replicable certificates, so although the securtiy level would not need to be as high as passports or money etc, I'd like it to throw up problems whenever it was stuck in a copier/scanner.

First thought was holograms, which you can order, but powers that be are suggesting we look for alternative routes before spending out on it (*sigh*). dment's suggestion is pretty much bang on what I'm after- one certificate I'm looking at used very fine vector lines and dots that would completely shag up any scanner, and was thinking whether this was something I could try (providing I found a great printer), or just to try and outsource more.

'Tis tricky, that's for sure. I'll let you guys know if I come up with anything (unless I'm wrongly locked up on suspicion of counterfeiting).

[kontradictions]

You can save money buy using the special Ink they stamp on your hand at Chuck E Cheese that only shows up under a special light and stamp on your logo.

[ChrisLacey]

When the document is photocopied, illegal copy appears across the sheet, this can prevent fraud, stops unauthorized copies and protects data, these are sold in reams so perfect for mass use and obviously affordable. This is of high standard and a very up to date way of securing documents, and in this day and age you can't put a price on security.


For more information please contact me direct on [/b]0800 310 2148[b] and ill send out some FREE samples.


I can also provide a FREE[/ information pack on;
Certificates
Immigration Forms
Work Permits
Voting Slips
Tax Stamps
Ballot Papers
Registration Forms
Contracts
Legal Documents
Transcripts
Insurance Cover Notes
Tax Vouchers
Bankers Drafts


Many Thanks



Mr Chris Lacey
Design & Security Print Consultant
Advice@London.com
Conquest.UK.com

[Herr Kurm]

So you sending out free samples to everywhere in the world? Any chance I could get a few kg sent to northern Europe?

[venturewise]

You scared him off, Herr - he hasn't been back since October.

[steveb]

Well, it's hardly surprising - if he's offering to send samples, probably a couple of A4s and someone wants a few kilos! Mr Kurm was very naughty and now we have all suffered from not being able to play with the copy-proof paper.
The Estonian word for shit is PASK.

Pask, pask, pask!

[Herr Kurm]

Perkele paskaa!

[steveb]

Genitive! Perkeleen

[Herr Kurm]

Hey I know only two more words in Finnish and those are obscene too!

[steveb]

That's twice as many as the average conversation requires.

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by Pedro

If I needed to design one myself, how hard is it, and would I need to source a specialist printer? "
Fankooo!

Tamper proof paper is generally something that is purchased from a specialist and used in place of regular paper. When copied, the words VOID or similar will appear.

This is not something the average person can "make", however, you can have personalised copy messages created for you by professionals at a high price... eg, "Copyright YOUR NAME"...

[ChrisLacey]

Hi Guy's, I'm Back :-)

First of all, thank you for all the direct enquiries.

To confirm a few more detail on this secure application, this secure paper has an encrypted message that cannot be digitally replicated and re-printed. What is replicated on a colour copy is a robust copy/void warning message.

To apply this secure application we use micro characters that is printed onto special paper, this is not a simple overprint as a micro printer is also required.

There is no secret to securing documents, if there were, everyone would know it, everyone would do it and it would cease to work as fraudster would easily overcome it.

Fortunately this isn't the case, the secret to securing a document without spending thousands on watermarks, holograms or reactive ink, comes form doing many little things exactly right, micro text, micro print and special paper that works to hide the void message.

To view and verify the encrypted micro characters, you can use a magnifying glass or simply try to copy. Because of the encryption, this technology can be used to trace its origin and is also court enforceable.

I can supply this paper in small to large quantitys, bespoke hidden message also available. Can package to suit needs, branded or un-branded for re-sale.

Feel free to contact me on 0800 310 2148 or direct on 07869 345 840.


Many Thanks



Chris Lacey

[solarisedesign]

Christ, that's a blast from the past. And there was me just wondering how on earth I was going to secure my secret documents from prying eyes! Secretly!

How about, if you just print your document so insanely small, nothing on earth will be able to read it, like the size of a neutron or something like that? Or so ridiculously large that you'd need to be at least a few million miles away to see it all easily (like the size of several suns, for example)

[dh]

Does anyone know where I can get a long weight?