[Pedro]

Does anyone know where I can source copy/tamper proof paper? The kind of paper that won't replicate in scanners and such?
[edit] Just thought I'd mention that I have stfw, there's no joy outside of California- bit far for Devon UK.

If I needed to design one myself, how hard is it, and would I need to source a specialist printer? I'm not too great with illustrator, but I'm hotcakes on photoshop, would this be worth investing time in?

Fankooo!

[Mandy Moo]

Eh? I'm confused (scratch head).

Wouldn't that kind of paper have to bear a hologram like they do on money and stuff?

[Maerk]

Yeah I rather thought the copy proofing was because of several built in recognition factors into the money and scanner itself. So short of being the government I'd say it was pretty hard...

[dment]

I'm not sure of the exact details, but I saw a certificate like that once. (your talking real paper right?) Anyway, the certificate had a series of dots (kinda like in the days of dot matrix printers, except smaller). In certain parts, the dots thinned out. Then in order for this not to be seen by the naked eye when held up to light, there was a distracting water mark across the whole paper.
Anyway, when you photocopied the paper, the places where the dots thinned out became much more obvious and had the words VOID VOID VOID all over the paper. The dots were almost the same color as the paper so they wouldn't normally be noticed. It was only when I photocopied it and I knew where to look that I actually noticed it.
Really this is just a little background how to make it yourself, but you'd have to have watermarked paper already.

[Pedro]

Thanks for the replies

The reason I/my company need the paper is for non-replicable certificates, so although the securtiy level would not need to be as high as passports or money etc, I'd like it to throw up problems whenever it was stuck in a copier/scanner.

First thought was holograms, which you can order, but powers that be are suggesting we look for alternative routes before spending out on it (*sigh*). dment's suggestion is pretty much bang on what I'm after- one certificate I'm looking at used very fine vector lines and dots that would completely shag up any scanner, and was thinking whether this was something I could try (providing I found a great printer), or just to try and outsource more.

'Tis tricky, that's for sure. I'll let you guys know if I come up with anything (unless I'm wrongly locked up on suspicion of counterfeiting).

[kontradictions]

You can save money buy using the special Ink they stamp on your hand at Chuck E Cheese that only shows up under a special light and stamp on your logo.

[ChrisLacey]

When the document is photocopied, illegal copy appears across the sheet, this can prevent fraud, stops unauthorized copies and protects data, these are sold in reams so perfect for mass use and obviously affordable. This is of high standard and a very up to date way of securing documents, and in this day and age you can't put a price on security.


For more information please contact me direct on [/b]0121 256 2102[b] and ill send out some FREE samples.


I can also provide a FREE[/ information pack on;
Certificates
Immigration Forms
Work Permits
Voting Slips
Tax Stamps
Ballot Papers
Registration Forms
Contracts
Legal Documents
Transcripts
Insurance Cover Notes
Tax Vouchers
Bankers Drafts


Many Thanks

Mr Chris Lacey
Business & Security Print Consultant

[Herr Kurm]

So you sending out free samples to everywhere in the world? Any chance I could get a few kg sent to northern Europe?

[venturewise]

You scared him off, Herr - he hasn't been back since October.

[steveb]

Well, it's hardly surprising - if he's offering to send samples, probably a couple of A4s and someone wants a few kilos! Mr Kurm was very naughty and now we have all suffered from not being able to play with the copy-proof paper.
The Estonian word for shit is PASK.

Pask, pask, pask!

[Herr Kurm]

Perkele paskaa!

[steveb]

Genitive! Perkeleen

[Herr Kurm]

Hey I know only two more words in Finnish and those are obscene too!

[steveb]

That's twice as many as the average conversation requires.