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fetusface · 24-07-2006, 18:18

I just got assigned to create a 3 fold standered information leaflet to be printed out. The boss wants it to look professional and printed on some decent heavy stock so it doesnt look cheap.

My question is what should I be designing with in mind for professional printing purpose? Im new to design for print. But should the ENTIRE layout be done in illustrator? Photoshop would be ideal in this case because I need to create some complex textures.......

any advice, tutorial links, stock suggestions or general comments welcomed.

Thanks,
Ian

OriginalDisco · 25-07-2006, 04:45

The layout should be done in Quark or InDesign.

fetusface · 25-07-2006, 11:27

okay cool thanks.........im guessing I should be designing in CYMK rather then RGB as well? ...... any other advice? what dpi should I set my photoshop to?

sub · 25-07-2006, 11:35

304.8 pixels(inch) or 120 pixels(cm)

Onje · 25-07-2006, 11:38

Photoshop images need to be 300dpi +

Also make sure you talk to your printer so that you know what limitations he may or may not have with regards to the kind of paper he can print on and also how he wants the artwork, etc.

I find that you can avoid many problems and much money by having a good understanding/relationship with your printer.

fetusface · 25-07-2006, 14:36

thanks so much for the advice......are there any things I should do to avoid margin problems?

fetusface · 25-07-2006, 16:03

sorry one more thing...........do you typically make the whole design in in-design or in photoshop or both?

sub · 25-07-2006, 18:39

Each application has it's own uses.
Photoshop for photographic images
Illustrator for vector
Quark/Indesign to bring the layout together and add text content.

stylin328 · 25-07-2006, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by subcircle

Each application has it's own uses.
Photoshop for photographic images
Illustrator for vector
Quark/Indesign to bring the layout together and add text content.

Yup, good way of putting it..

fetusface · 26-07-2006, 02:45

ahhhh i see.............thanks

so ive been doing some reading and what im slightly confused about is seeing the true color im working on. If I:

1. Make a new photoshop doc (with a proper calibrated monitor)
2. CYMK at 8.5 in by 11 @ 300dpi
3. Work on it
4. Give it to a professional printer

I shouldnt expect any wierd color mismatches right? I did a test print on a shitty ink jet printer and the color was off but im guessing thats because ink jets print at rgb? or am I wrong?

Thanks so much for all the useful info so far.....the information is out on the internet but its hard to find decent explations.

sub · 26-07-2006, 04:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by fetusface

I shouldnt expect any wierd color mismatches right? I did a test print on a shitty ink jet printer and the color was off but im guessing thats because ink jets print at rgb? or am I wrong?

Your inkjet printer will be CMYK (Cyan, MAgenta, Yellow, Key/Black) also.
You will find this when you need to replace it's ink cartridges.

If you have a large print run and are concerned about the output of tints and colour shift you should ask your printer to produce a match-print (colour proof). This is basically just a handful of prints produced from the seperations of the job before making plates and running the job on press.

lou · 26-07-2006, 06:15

handy if you have a pantone book to check what the true colours are - nae cheap

Narate · 26-07-2006, 06:16

What use is a Pantone book if its a 4 colour print?

Mik · 26-07-2006, 06:22

use a pantone to choose what colours you like,.
then convert to cmyk - most cases it will match. roughly.

Alexanda · 26-07-2006, 06:35

or use a pantone process swatch book then you'll know what your cmyk should look like

Mik · 26-07-2006, 08:35

correct.

Alexanda · 26-07-2006, 08:46

thank you.

fetusface · 26-07-2006, 11:33

Now im more confused......I should start with a patone book which lets me do what? select the colors for the PS document? Does it tell me the number im supposed to type in photoshop for the color?

lou · 26-07-2006, 12:07

Use your pantone book to compare swatches and get a feel for the colour scheme.

Use Quark etc for your layout (create boxes where your pics will go, layout coloumns for the text and drop in)- this will be where the finished product comes from.

Create any bitmaps (altered/colour corrected photos) in photoshop and save as 300 dpi TIF in CMYK

Anything vector, create in Illustrator - output as eps

Import all your bits and bobs into Quark. Use your Pantone guide for the colours in Quark (your text, blocks of colour/shapes)

Thats about as much as I know but then again I could be wrong as I havent dabbled in print since college about 100 years ago. It's not really somehting you can learn to do in a day - it takes time - as with everything. Quark is a bugger to master - you should see the size of the manual you get for it.

Speak to a printer - they can often be very helpful and guide you through the process.

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fetusface ™™™™™™™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 485	Looking for a little advice.... I just got assigned to create a 3 fold standered information leaflet to be printed out. The boss wants it to look professional and printed on some decent heavy stock so it doesnt look cheap. My question is what should I be designing with in mind for professional printing purpose? Im new to design for print. But should the ENTIRE layout be done in illustrator? Photoshop would be ideal in this case because I need to create some complex textures....... any advice, tutorial links, stock suggestions or general comments welcomed. Thanks, Ian

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25-07-2006, 04:45	#2 (permalink)
OriginalDisco The Fusion Minstrel Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: York Posts: 450	The layout should be done in Quark or InDesign.

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fetusface ™™™™™™™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 485	okay cool thanks.........im guessing I should be designing in CYMK rather then RGB as well? ...... any other advice? what dpi should I set my photoshop to?

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Onje thankyouplease Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 173	Photoshop images need to be 300dpi + Also make sure you talk to your printer so that you know what limitations he may or may not have with regards to the kind of paper he can print on and also how he wants the artwork, etc. I find that you can avoid many problems and much money by having a good understanding/relationship with your printer.

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fetusface ™™™™™™™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 485	sorry one more thing...........do you typically make the whole design in in-design or in photoshop or both?

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fetusface ™™™™™™™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 485	ahhhh i see.............thanks so ive been doing some reading and what im slightly confused about is seeing the true color im working on. If I: 1. Make a new photoshop doc (with a proper calibrated monitor) 2. CYMK at 8.5 in by 11 @ 300dpi 3. Work on it 4. Give it to a professional printer I shouldnt expect any wierd color mismatches right? I did a test print on a shitty ink jet printer and the color was off but im guessing thats because ink jets print at rgb? or am I wrong? Thanks so much for all the useful info so far.....the information is out on the internet but its hard to find decent explations.

26-07-2006, 06:15	#12 (permalink)
lou flaps Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: aberdeen Posts: 179	handy if you have a pantone book to check what the true colours are - nae cheap

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Narate Royalty™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester (UK) Posts: 3,273	What use is a Pantone book if its a 4 colour print?

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Mik Magazines™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glasgow.. Posts: 11,861	use a pantone to choose what colours you like,. then convert to cmyk - most cases it will match. roughly.

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Alexanda European Champions 2008 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,585	or use a pantone process swatch book then you'll know what your cmyk should look like

26-07-2006, 08:35	#16 (permalink)
Mik Magazines™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glasgow.. Posts: 11,861	correct.

26-07-2006, 08:46	#17 (permalink)
Alexanda European Champions 2008 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 2,585	thank you.

26-07-2006, 11:33	#18 (permalink)
fetusface ™™™™™™™ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 485	Now im more confused......I should start with a patone book which lets me do what? select the colors for the PS document? Does it tell me the number im supposed to type in photoshop for the color?

26-07-2006, 12:07	#19 (permalink)
lou flaps Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: aberdeen Posts: 179	Use your pantone book to compare swatches and get a feel for the colour scheme. Use Quark etc for your layout (create boxes where your pics will go, layout coloumns for the text and drop in)- this will be where the finished product comes from. Create any bitmaps (altered/colour corrected photos) in photoshop and save as 300 dpi TIF in CMYK Anything vector, create in Illustrator - output as eps Import all your bits and bobs into Quark. Use your Pantone guide for the colours in Quark (your text, blocks of colour/shapes) Thats about as much as I know but then again I could be wrong as I havent dabbled in print since college about 100 years ago. It's not really somehting you can learn to do in a day - it takes time - as with everything. Quark is a bugger to master - you should see the size of the manual you get for it. Speak to a printer - they can often be very helpful and guide you through the process.

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