[lucidcreations]

lol

[tomson]

Originally Posted by BureauConform

But for pro-digital you will need to spend at least £7000 for decent kit..

Absolute bollocks.
Something like a 10D with a nice L series lense can give superb professional level results. There are plenty of pros using this level of camera - from studio work to photo journalism, location shoots to portraits.

With a bit of time and effort you can get great results with a fairly modest camera - an expensive camera does not guarantee good results, creativity and an understanding of what you are doing plays a far more important role.

[BureauConform]

Originally Posted by tomson

Absolute bollocks.
an expensive camera does not guarantee good results, creativity and an understanding of what you are doing plays a far more important role.

You have half a point, creativity only comes with 'art' shots, most professional photographers will throw away 9 out of 10 shots that they take, I recently did a travel shoot, took 400 photos and had about 40 good shots, which after doing some polishing up in photoshop, turned into great shots. There is no point having a good digital photo if you can't get a decent print from it and this requires detail!

Now to get technical, cheap cameras optics are often not on a par with it's 35mm equivalent, this is because the ccd or cmos sensor is actually the size of 16mm film and NOT the full frame 35mm film this means that minor imperfections in a lense will show up more easily. This starts to become noticable above 5MP because the optics aren't improved for this type of use.

If you have any technical queries, please mail us directly.
BureauConform Photo Team

ps BureauConform employees work in London Paris Tokyo and New York.

[Mr Fred]

Originally Posted by BureauConform

There is no point having a good digital photo if you can't get a decent print from it and this requires detail!

Why not?

ps BureauConform employees work in London Paris Tokyo and New York.

Prove it

[tomson]

Originally Posted by BureauConform

Now to get technical, cheap cameras optics are often not on a par with it's 35mm equivalent, this is because the ccd or cmos sensor is actually the size of 16mm film and NOT the full frame 35mm film this means that minor imperfections in a lense will show up more easily. This starts to become noticable above 5MP because the optics aren't improved for this type of use.

Hence me mentioning L series lenses - I'm sure your 'Photo Team' will be familiar with these even if you aren't.

Sigh

But oqpo's original post included the phrases "first digital camera" and "I dont understand all those megapixel settings" and also let not forget the old "I dont want to spend mega dollars". Now pardon me if i'm mistaken but this doesnt sound like a guy whose after a 7 grand camera (apparently "you NEED to spend at least £7000" to get professional results - which is funny cos dSLRs like SD9 and 10s, 10d, *ist D, D2H etc etc are used the world over by pros and they're all waaay below that sorta money... maybe they're just amateurs pretending eh?!). You know what? I'd even go as far as to hazard a guess that oqpo aint a professional.

See where i'm going with this?... cos I really cant be bothered stating the obvious anymore.

Gonna have glass of wine and watch Jordan in her bikini

[lucidcreations]

I've got a friend who is the main photographer for Flex magazine (main stream mens body building, bit gay ) and he said he only uses a cheaper 4mp £600ish Canon for inside mag shots and a Canon 10 or 11mp (cant remember which) for cover shots.

When i said i was after a new camera he explained which would be the best for web stuff
and enable me to get 5 x 4 prints he explained 3mp would be just fine. My camera can do far more than i can...... Look at CYK's portfolio he only used a Canon A70 3mp (Canon equivalent of mine) its fantastic and I'd say shows alot of creativness and his "holiday snap" camera did him just fine.

BureauConform stop talking through your ego.

location: Crewe | Stoke on Trent | Shrewsbury

[lucidcreations]

Actually thers a sale on at 7dayshop.com. The Fuji s5000 is only £253!!

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/prod...ducts_id=85575

[Brown]

Originally Posted by BureauConform

creativity only comes with 'art' shots

cocklord. nuff said.

Originally Posted by BureauConform

most professional photographers will throw away 9 out of 10 shots that they take

all photographers do, professional or otherwise. don't 'high and mighty' us, we do it to people every day and can see through it far too easily.

Originally Posted by BureauConform

I recently did a travel shoot

or was it just a holiday?

Originally Posted by BureauConform

polishing up in photoshop

frankly, don't want to know what you get up to in your spare time.

Originally Posted by BureauConform

There is no point having a good digital photo if you can't get a decent print from it

agreed, point taken, good point too. some people here have said that they 'take photos just for the web' which is fair enough, but if you want to make money from your pictures, then you have to be able to sell it to print, which requires higher resolution - you can;'t sell pictures for a website and then refuse them for billboards...

Originally Posted by BureauConform

ps BureauConform employees work in London Paris Tokyo and New York.

so why do you not show up on search engines? international cowboys? forum fuckwits? where's your website? like i've always said, don't diss unless you can prove your own.

[Brown]

oppo, this is your fault...

[tomson]

Originally Posted by Brown

don't 'high and mighty' us, we do it to people every day and can see through it far too easily.

Truely a work of art Mr Brown.


Tomson International.
London | M 42, Junction 5, Near the Little Chef | Mars

Originally Posted by Brown

oppo, this is your fault...

you could as leats get my name right,..... oqpo...

thanks to everyone for your advice.
I think this topic is now closed.....

[Bill Posters]

So, any updated evaluations from those who bought/use the Fuji FInepix s5000?

Got my eye on it and I'm wondering if it turned out to be as good as the early enthusiasm suggested.
Wondering if it does a good job of interpolating upto 6mp.

(Again) my situation… my first digital camera, pro/sumer, blah blah, prints at A4/8x10
It's as much for leisure as it is for taking a few folio shots.
Not looking to break the bank with it as I'm not sure how much serious use I'll get out of it.

TIA

[Alex]

Yeah, and tell me what you get, cos I need the same thing


At the moment I'm looking at the canon s50...gets some good reviews....have a read about it Bill and see what you think.

[cam]

Originally Posted by Bill Posters

So, any updated evaluations from those who bought/use the Fuji FInepix s5000?

Got my eye on it and I'm wondering if it turned out to be as good as the early enthusiasm suggested.
Wondering if it does a good job of interpolating upto 6mp.

(Again) my situation… my first digital camera, pro/sumer, blah blah, prints at A4/8x10
It's as much for leisure as it is for taking a few folio shots.
Not looking to break the bank with it as I'm not sure how much serious use I'll get out of it.

TIA

I have it sitting in front of me, arrived yesterday. Being in the same situation as you Bill, i.e. it's my first digital camera & wanting it for the same reasons you are, i'm not sure what justice any pictures I take with it will do this camera. What I can say is that the build quality is awesome, it has features far beyond me, and it seems perfect for my purposes (to learn more about digital/photography).

As for interpolated, i'm going out with my cam on friday, if you can wait till then i'll grab some shots in 6mp mode & post them for you to see - if you've any requests as to the contents of the pics (e.g. to see certain different shades or whatever), post them here before friday.

[Bill Posters]

Cheers, cam.
I wouldn't mind seeing shots with lots of activity and high contrast (e.g. the branch system of a leafless tree)
A shot with subtle gradients (to check for banding)
A shot of cute, topless women (just because)

tia

[tomson]

As a side point to interpolation... If you shoot in raw and use photoshop CS it does a fine job of interpolating using the raw image data. Might be interesting to see the difference between in-camera vs CS. Or a combination of the two to get a much higher res image.

The raw image handling capabilities also allow you to adjust chromatic aberration - often seen in high contrast images like Billys requested branch shot.

[andrewparker]

I'm glad this thread was resurrected. It was good to read BureauConforms reply again and laugh at what a twat he sounded ;-)

[Bill Posters]

I scanned this thread earlier when looking up previous posts about the S5000 and noticed comments about his site (or lack of).

It's up now. Still looks alot like s/he's been talking him/herself up quite a bit*, but I've seen worse.
(* especially given the similarity of the "photo team's" output to any Joe Schmoe designer's own snap collection)

bureauconform.com

[Stickman]

Certainly don't need to spend £7,000 to get shots like that.

[andrewparker]

Originally Posted by Bill Posters

I wouldn't mind seeing shots with lots of activity and high contrast (e.g. the branch system of a leafless tree)

Not a great photo and looks like a shitty day!

http://theadrecyclinginitiative.org/DSCF1319.JPG

edit >> took this ages ago, just found it on my server along with some other "interesting" shots