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[Mr Fred]

nice story brown - made my day that one. never trust a cobbler thats what i say.
why do they also make keys!!! wtf

[Brown]

Originally Posted by japanmik

why do they also make keys!!!

b'cos they're thiefs. you seen their price charts? we're in the wrong business.

[Mr Fred]

and they wipe their balls in their aprons when their talking to your girlfriend.

[chips]

I know - keys and shoes....it's a bit mad.
what next....dry cleaning and burgers?

jam & wallets

[Brown]

whores & drugs

[dorian]

Get a camera with a flip LCD display - might seem obvious - but it's far from standard!()
It is very practical if you want to take pictures from *funny* angles (ie above your head or down on the floor) - I know some Sony, Nikon, and Canon models have this feature. They're not the cheapest of the range - but well worth it. Plus it gives extra protection to the display.
Also pay attention to what battery(/ies) is takes. You want something that comes with its own rechargable battery.
Got a Canon G2 - very happy with it! It does all of the above and more... (Should use it more often)
I found reviews from steve's digicams very useful

Cheap: www.ukdigitalcameras.co.uk

I remember when you got your camera they sent you a load of memory sticks free by mistake BONUS!. Didn’t think about the twisty lcd screen. Come to think about it when I have borrowed Roberts camera I have found my self using that twisty screen quite a bit to get that really good angle. Oh an Dorian it looks like that Spanish weather isn’t good for you, you seem to have lost weight and grown a lot of hair old boy..

[lucidcreations]

my s5000 uses 4 AA batteries, they last ages! look here for battery life at the bottom of the page.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms5000/page8.asp

[dorian]

two things:
1) it says GREECE below my avatar - meaning - i don't live in spain

2) got a new camera since... made sure my old *free* memory stick fits (type II memory).

[lucidcreations]

oh yeah one thing to look out for is that the lcd display or view finder on what ever camera you get looks through the lens its self like an slr not just through a straight forward view finding lens, which can sometimes give you bizarre photo crops as you're not seeing what you're shooting.

If i had the money though I would have bought the Canon EOS 30 D, but that around £900 and i cant justify that im that good at the moment.

[sleepingfish]

LCD display is a definite feature to look for, they do suffer from daylight a bit (makes it hard to see the display). I've found the LCD display on my CyberShot easier to see than the one on my mum's Fuji camera.

[dorian]

...which is hy it's so practical if you can tilt it so it's in shadow!

[dorian]

(but it's bit like white chocolate... if you never tasted it - you'll never miss it)

[tomson]

Originally Posted by lucidcreations

If i had the money though I would have bought the Canon EOS 30 D, but that around £900 and i cant justify that im that good at the moment.

Do you mean the 300D or the D30? I presume the 300D as its a newer model. The D30 is what I have, http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canond30

Anyroad... erm whoever started this thread needs to decide what they want their camera for. If its for taking pics down the pub then summut small and robust is ideal, but if its for getting seriously into photography then summut like a 300D is obviously far better (and damn cheap for a dSLR)... what ever you do buy make sure you do your own research and not just follow someone elses opinion - go to a camera shop, play with a few, if you've got tiny little girly hands then summut small with suit you better (and vice versa), some cameras feel plasticy and light, others are heavier and built like tanks. So, get off your arse and get to it.



keys and shoes. I ask ya...

I did a g.c.s.e at college in Photography, some how I signed up for it whilst prating around in a lesson,,,
Anyways turned out better than I thought, i learnt photography and well played about in the dark room with some lovely girly... wicked.
I want the camera for learning and messing around with ideas. Its not a camera for family shots, but more abstract art and graphical stuff. I reckon I will go with something fairly big and weighty, i like to know the thing is in my hands and not a toy. Plus I really like the shape off the old style cameras so i think that I will be drawn more towards a Fujifilm finepix s5000 style camera as it sounds like they have all the features I am after plus its a nice shape looks like it has a good weight to it. Going to pop down the shops at the weekend and play with some in the shops first.

[BureauConform]

Ok... the first question everyone should be asking is what is your budget? Are you planning on using this for professional photography or is it just for holiday snaps?

The cheap option
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If you just want something for holiday snaps I would recommend the Fuji s7000 (the s5000's big brother), It's light, has manual override of the controls and is a 6 megapixel camera so you'll be able to get decent 8x10 (or a4) photos (if you take photos with RAW mode), the other advantage to this camera is that it uses normal AA batteries (this can save your life in foreign countries) and the camera can take really cheap Compact flash cards, and microdrives! BUT REMEMBER THIS IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL CAMERA and you must not expect professional results, as with all cheap digital cameras lense quality is suspect and you don't get any serious creative aperture control that you get with 35mm cameras.

The slightly more expensive option
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If you want a semi-professional camera get a Canon 300d or wait for the nikon D70 (my preference) being released soon, both are these are the closest you will get to a traditional 35mm, although they are both limited becuase of something called a "focal length factor" which takes away some creative control. I can explain in detail if needed. But for pro-digital you will need to spend at least £7000 for decent kit.

If you are looking to take good photos and don't have much cash get a 35mm, pref. a nikon, my first ever camera a Nikon FG is beautiful and cheap (secondhand), this will give you a good grounding and is far more versatile than digital at low price points. You would also be able to use the lenses on a D70 if you decide to upgrade as it uses the popular Nikon F-mount.

If anyone has any questions about digital/35mm/medium format photography send us a mail, we'll be happy to help.

[lucidcreations]

BureauConform what planet are you on?? oh yeah "London|Paris|New York|Tokyo". You can do FAR more than holiday snap with the S5000 & S7000! Yo umust be one of those guys from dpreview who expect everyone to have £5k camera to be able to take great shots. Its not the camera that gives you good composition and lighting skills.

I went down the local shop on the weekend and had butchers at the Fuji s5000. Dam its small, it looks much bigger in the photos. It’s pretty light too. As I said before it’s not for holiday snaps, it’s for messing around with taking abstract images, possible images for websites. There’s no way on earth I am going to spend £7k on a camera. If I was I wouldn’t be asking a bunch of web designers what camera to buy, for that kinds of money I would need to be an expert and would know anyway…. I have looked at some others but think the Fuji s5000 offers good value, excellent quality and enough features to shack a small donut at. I wont be using it for print, manly just web usage

[chips]

Originally Posted by lucidcreations

BureauConform what planet are you on?? oh yeah "London|Paris|New York|Tokyo".

probably more like - Grimsby|Milton Keynes|Coventry|Cleethorpes