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bigsteve2008 · 03-06-2009, 08:52

I am wanting to build my portfolio and i am offering free logo design, if anyone is interested then please message me.

Paddy · 03-06-2009, 09:01

Why don't you approach a local charity or non-profit organisation and offer you services to them pro-bono? You'll get experience working directly with a client and you'll be helping out a good cause.

You might also learn more of the processes involved in a rebrand. A logo is just one of many aspects of branding.

Plus we've never seen your work. How do we know you're any good at logo design?

Arties · 03-06-2009, 09:04

Free logo design in the webdesign section .... Sounds promising :-p

ow wait... it's moved.

If you already know where you want to start working, try to find some relevant jobs.

Maerk · 03-06-2009, 09:05

Indeed as Paddy said a catch22, without any examples at all of your design work why would anyone even want to risk getting a free logo from you?

Work up some dummy identities for fake companies if you must to show some skills. Or get a Behance profile or some such to drop some work samples on prior to getting a portfolio site.

ben. · 03-06-2009, 19:26

Try doing some competitions, like Logotournament.com or 99designs.com. It's a great way to start, even if you don't win, you will end up with something you can put in your portfolio. You will also get a small taste of what working for actual clients can be like.

Paddy · 03-06-2009, 19:33

No he won't. Competition sites are absolutely nothing like proper client work and spec work is damaging to the industry.

DO NOT take ben.'s advice if you seriously want to be a designer.

nudge · 03-06-2009, 19:50

competition sites are the phone book hookers of the design world.

ben. · 04-06-2009, 07:42

I of course only expected as much. Yes, the competition sites are bad for the industry, yes It's not proper work. But it is the best way to start nonetheless.

And when I said "get a taste of working for actual clients", I said working FOR not working WITH and I was not wrong. There is nothing like getting your work shoved away, after the worst piece of shit gets picked for the first price. He will learn much there, if he takes it as a first stepping stone, nothing more.

Paddy · 04-06-2009, 07:43

No it's not. In fact it's probably the worst way to start.

ben. · 04-06-2009, 07:47

And, pray, what is ? With no work whatsoever behind you ? Most likely no experience ?

Paddy · 04-06-2009, 07:49

What did I suggest 9 posts ago?

ben. · 04-06-2009, 07:58

Going to non-profit organizations ? If he has experience they might take him seriously, but I doubt it. Nobody will, and offering free services only looks suspicious.

All I'm saying, it might work, but It's way too unreliable and time-consuming. If he picks some logo competitions, all he has to do is create a logo and update it, maybe get a feedback, maybe even win, I've seen beginners win at these places.

Do you think he gives a shit about ethics of the industry at his stage ? I gave him the best advice. You merely vented your popular hate of the competition sites.

Paddy · 04-06-2009, 08:16

So what your saying is that the best way for a young designer to learn how to work in the design trade is to do speculative work on a site where one to two hundred designers work on every project indepdently of each other, based on a 50-100 word brief, with no guarantee of payment, and limited client feedback?

Sounds like sound advice to me.

ben. · 04-06-2009, 08:34

That's exactly what I am saying. He will end up with some work he can present, and at the very least he will know exactly why is this way of working wrong. Beggars can't be choosers, and you have to start somewhere. Turns out this is the best way.

drik · 04-06-2009, 08:55

ben is right. This way he'll get at least some kind of work to present before moving on to non-profit organisations.

And to all who hate those design contest websites... you don't want those cheap ass 'buyers' as your clients anyway.

sub · 04-06-2009, 09:16

These crowd-sourcing sites exist is because they encourage businesses to offer the lowest possible fee. The more they devalue the industry the lower the fee and the more popular these sites seem to become.

ben. · 04-06-2009, 09:39

True, but irrelevant to the topic.

Pugsley · 04-06-2009, 09:49

so's your face

Paddy · 04-06-2009, 09:50

I love you Pugs.

Pugsley · 04-06-2009, 09:51

Why thank you paddy. I love you too.

03-06-2009, 08:52	#1 (permalink)
bigsteve2008 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 11	Free Logo Design I am wanting to build my portfolio and i am offering free logo design, if anyone is interested then please message me.

03-06-2009, 09:01	#2 (permalink)
Paddy Mo' suave than Tez. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Béal Feirste Posts: 4,263	Why don't you approach a local charity or non-profit organisation and offer you services to them pro-bono? You'll get experience working directly with a client and you'll be helping out a good cause. You might also learn more of the processes involved in a rebrand. A logo is just one of many aspects of branding. Plus we've never seen your work. How do we know you're any good at logo design? __________________

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Maerk Doodler. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,707	Indeed as Paddy said a catch22, without any examples at all of your design work why would anyone even want to risk getting a free logo from you? Work up some dummy identities for fake companies if you must to show some skills. Or get a Behance profile or some such to drop some work samples on prior to getting a portfolio site. __________________ sreski design & illustration Upload Pie The Simple Image Sharing Tool

03-06-2009, 19:33	#6 (permalink)
Paddy Mo' suave than Tez. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Béal Feirste Posts: 4,263	No he won't. Competition sites are absolutely nothing like proper client work and spec work is damaging to the industry. DO NOT take ben.'s advice if you seriously want to be a designer. __________________

03-06-2009, 19:50	#7 (permalink)
nudge A Bear Riding a Bicycle Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 547	competition sites are the phone book hookers of the design world. __________________ Do your job and demand your compensation - but in that order.

03-06-2009, 09:04	#3 (permalink)
Arties Graphic Motion Webdesign Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 269	Free logo design in the webdesign section .... Sounds promising :-p ow wait... it's moved. If you already know where you want to start working, try to find some relevant jobs.

03-06-2009, 19:26	#5 (permalink)
ben. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Prague Posts: 267	Try doing some competitions, like Logotournament.com or 99designs.com. It's a great way to start, even if you don't win, you will end up with something you can put in your portfolio. You will also get a small taste of what working for actual clients can be like.

04-06-2009, 07:42	#8 (permalink)
ben. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Prague Posts: 267	I of course only expected as much. Yes, the competition sites are bad for the industry, yes It's not proper work. But it is the best way to start nonetheless. And when I said "get a taste of working for actual clients", I said working FOR not working WITH and I was not wrong. There is nothing like getting your work shoved away, after the worst piece of shit gets picked for the first price. He will learn much there, if he takes it as a first stepping stone, nothing more.

04-06-2009, 07:43	#9 (permalink)
Paddy Mo' suave than Tez. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Béal Feirste Posts: 4,263	No it's not. In fact it's probably the worst way to start. __________________

04-06-2009, 07:47	#10 (permalink)
ben. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Prague Posts: 267	And, pray, what is ? With no work whatsoever behind you ? Most likely no experience ?

04-06-2009, 07:49	#11 (permalink)
Paddy Mo' suave than Tez. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Béal Feirste Posts: 4,263	What did I suggest 9 posts ago? __________________

04-06-2009, 07:58	#12 (permalink)
ben. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Prague Posts: 267	Going to non-profit organizations ? If he has experience they might take him seriously, but I doubt it. Nobody will, and offering free services only looks suspicious. All I'm saying, it might work, but It's way too unreliable and time-consuming. If he picks some logo competitions, all he has to do is create a logo and update it, maybe get a feedback, maybe even win, I've seen beginners win at these places. Do you think he gives a shit about ethics of the industry at his stage ? I gave him the best advice. You merely vented your popular hate of the competition sites.

04-06-2009, 08:16	#13 (permalink)
Paddy Mo' suave than Tez. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Béal Feirste Posts: 4,263	So what your saying is that the best way for a young designer to learn how to work in the design trade is to do speculative work on a site where one to two hundred designers work on every project indepdently of each other, based on a 50-100 word brief, with no guarantee of payment, and limited client feedback? Sounds like sound advice to me. __________________

04-06-2009, 08:34	#14 (permalink)
ben. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Prague Posts: 267	That's exactly what I am saying. He will end up with some work he can present, and at the very least he will know exactly why is this way of working wrong. Beggars can't be choosers, and you have to start somewhere. Turns out this is the best way.

04-06-2009, 08:55	#15 (permalink)
drik ga ga Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,475	ben is right. This way he'll get at least some kind of work to present before moving on to non-profit organisations. And to all who hate those design contest websites... you don't want those cheap ass 'buyers' as your clients anyway. __________________

04-06-2009, 09:16	#16 (permalink)
sub ______________________ Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,818	These crowd-sourcing sites exist is because they encourage businesses to offer the lowest possible fee. The more they devalue the industry the lower the fee and the more popular these sites seem to become. __________________ DT: LinkedIn \| Twitter \| Flickr \| FaceBook

04-06-2009, 09:39	#17 (permalink)
ben. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Prague Posts: 267	True, but irrelevant to the topic.

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Pugsley Life in Process Join Date: May 2007 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Status: Skint but employed Posts: 4,749	so's your face __________________ If your colours are starting to run, let them all run, run away from you. Flux - Bloc Party Designer LinkedIn \| Twitter

04-06-2009, 09:50	#19 (permalink)
Paddy Mo' suave than Tez. Join Date: May 2005 Location: Béal Feirste Posts: 4,263	I love you Pugs. __________________

04-06-2009, 09:51	#20 (permalink)
Pugsley Life in Process Join Date: May 2007 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Status: Skint but employed Posts: 4,749	Why thank you paddy. I love you too. __________________ If your colours are starting to run, let them all run, run away from you. Flux - Bloc Party Designer LinkedIn \| Twitter

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