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pat · 08-04-2008, 09:42

been working on an A6 flyer and an A3 poster for a local clubnight, how should I give it to them? I'm clueless about bleed etc.

Do Gooder · 08-04-2008, 09:47

all images need to be set as CMYK and be 300dpi or above.

export your final artwork as a 'press quality' pdf with crop marks and 3mm bleed

Mitch · 08-04-2008, 09:48

Surely you save a postscript file then distill it?

Do Gooder · 08-04-2008, 09:50

can do.. i have become a little lazy recently. hasn't bitten me on the arse yet!

Coops · 08-04-2008, 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch

Surely you save a postscript file then distill it?

That's what I'd do.

JonoMarshall · 08-04-2008, 10:27

Agreed. I'd always ask the printers what they'd prefer standard wise and how they'd like blacks separated, etc, though.

Gets you in their good books!

wheedwacker · 08-04-2008, 10:50

yeah, when in doubt, ask the client. different printers usually prefer things slightly different, and the company probably will be grateful that you put in the time to make sure that they wouldn't have any trouble.

dpc036 · 08-04-2008, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch

Surely you save a postscript file then distill it?

so exporting a pdf from indesign using the high quality/press quality isnt the same or as good?

cocknose · 08-04-2008, 11:14

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Originally Posted by dpc036

so exporting a pdf from indesign using the high quality/press quality isnt the same or as good?

all depends... you can get font drops or problems when you pdf a doc which has a pdf already in it... post scripting your file the running through distiller is normally the safe way to go!!!

Do Gooder · 08-04-2008, 11:25

i have been keeping an eye.. not had any problems yet.. but i hardly ever evers drop pdf's in layouts mind.

it's nice and quick. bish bash bosh.

still distil illustrator files the old school route at the mo though, through habit as much as anything.

badaboom · 08-04-2008, 11:51

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Originally Posted by cocknose

all depends... you can get font drops or problems when you pdf a doc which has a pdf already in it... post scripting your file the running through distiller is normally the safe way to go!!!

Agreed, just spent the last few days dealing with a major job that had many problems which were sorted by me post scripting and then Distiller. Printers (useless twats) had complete artwork but have become too complacent with direct export to pdf – with disastrous results.

Just looked in the mirror and think I have aged 10 years!

Printers due to deliver tomorrow pm, don’t think I’ll sleep much!

Do Gooder · 08-04-2008, 12:02

i personally wouldn't call exporting direct to pdf complacent.

sending open files worries me more these days. i only occasionally do that with a printers that i know very well.

still. i am feeling your pain.

how ever work is sent, overall what matters is a careful proofing process.

badaboom · 08-04-2008, 13:03

I have for a few years always sent direct pdf’s to printers/publishers, without any problem, as long as you use preflight in Acrobat Pro. This time printers supplied proofs with loads of errors caused by pdf that they couldn’t fix. Going through Distiller fixed everything. It was the tight deadline and client seeing the proofs and the problem solving which caused the nightmare.

Sending open files is a real concern for me now as a printer I previously used went direct to my customers and have obviously used previously my supplied artwork – TWATS! So I am having to change my habits or leave myself vulnerable again, which for this job initially was not possible.

Do Gooder · 08-04-2008, 13:07

[quote] direct to my customers and have obviously used previously my supplied artwork – TWATS![quote]

bastards! that printers needs outing.

badaboom · 08-04-2008, 14:04

would love to on here but legal nightmare I guess, so I have to make do by telling every ferker I know.

pat · 08-04-2008, 14:09

what's this distiller then? I'm using illustrator at the mo, do i need to open my pdf in indesign and go from there?

Do Gooder · 08-04-2008, 14:29

distiller is a usually robust standalone pdf conversion tool.

the standard 'dodat, as i know it, would be to save a .ps file through your design apps print menu (setting bleeds etc.) then drop the .ps file into distiller to make pdf love.

you can save as pdf directly from illustrator.. never do that myself, as i get put off by all the extra illustrator only options but it's perfectly possible.

you can also save the illustrator file as a .eps in the and drop it into distiller.. i do this sometimes when no bleed is required on a job.

in an attempt to streamline things in work i have been trialing exporting pdfs directly from indesign since moving to cs3. naay bover... so far. ahem.

luxbrand · 08-04-2008, 17:24

I completely overlooked that I had Distiller as part of CS3 Collection. I just printed my latest piece to a .PS file and distilled it and the file size was 1.7MB vs 5.4MB from InDesign PDF export. And that's high quality print. Amazing!

Limbo · 08-04-2008, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Do Gooder

in an attempt to streamline things in work i have been trialing exporting pdfs directly from indesign since moving to cs3. naay bover... so far. ahem.

Yarp, Did a 400 page book the other day - no problems at all.

luxbrand · 08-04-2008, 17:33

Does Distiller have a feature like "Print Booklet" that InDesign has? Saves the headache of having to arrange the pages manually for a saddle stitch job.

08-04-2008, 09:42	#1 (permalink)
pat jorge regula Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: B'ham/Leeds Posts: 4,796	A6 Flyer, A3 Poster been working on an A6 flyer and an A3 poster for a local clubnight, how should I give it to them? I'm clueless about bleed etc. __________________

08-04-2008, 10:27	#6 (permalink)
JonoMarshall Day-Glo Jazz Monkey Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shoreditch, London Posts: 1,132	Agreed. I'd always ask the printers what they'd prefer standard wise and how they'd like blacks separated, etc, though. Gets you in their good books! __________________ Jon Marshall - Graphic Design

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wheedwacker competitionmaster 2.0 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,335	yeah, when in doubt, ask the client. different printers usually prefer things slightly different, and the company probably will be grateful that you put in the time to make sure that they wouldn't have any trouble. __________________ My Design/Development Site Koloration (design studio)

08-04-2008, 12:02	#12 (permalink)
Do Gooder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,845	i personally wouldn't call exporting direct to pdf complacent. sending open files worries me more these days. i only occasionally do that with a printers that i know very well. still. i am feeling your pain. how ever work is sent, overall what matters is a careful proofing process. Last edited by Do Gooder : 08-04-2008 at 12:20.

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pat jorge regula Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: B'ham/Leeds Posts: 4,796	what's this distiller then? I'm using illustrator at the mo, do i need to open my pdf in indesign and go from there? __________________

08-04-2008, 09:47	#2 (permalink)
Do Gooder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,845	all images need to be set as CMYK and be 300dpi or above. export your final artwork as a 'press quality' pdf with crop marks and 3mm bleed

08-04-2008, 09:48	#3 (permalink)
Mitch Chavtastic Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,388	Surely you save a postscript file then distill it?

08-04-2008, 09:50	#4 (permalink)
Do Gooder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,845	can do.. i have become a little lazy recently. hasn't bitten me on the arse yet!

08-04-2008, 11:25	#10 (permalink)
Do Gooder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,845	i have been keeping an eye.. not had any problems yet.. but i hardly ever evers drop pdf's in layouts mind. it's nice and quick. bish bash bosh. still distil illustrator files the old school route at the mo though, through habit as much as anything.

08-04-2008, 13:03	#13 (permalink)
badaboom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 459	I have for a few years always sent direct pdf’s to printers/publishers, without any problem, as long as you use preflight in Acrobat Pro. This time printers supplied proofs with loads of errors caused by pdf that they couldn’t fix. Going through Distiller fixed everything. It was the tight deadline and client seeing the proofs and the problem solving which caused the nightmare. Sending open files is a real concern for me now as a printer I previously used went direct to my customers and have obviously used previously my supplied artwork – TWATS! So I am having to change my habits or leave myself vulnerable again, which for this job initially was not possible.

08-04-2008, 13:07	#14 (permalink)
Do Gooder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,845	[quote] direct to my customers and have obviously used previously my supplied artwork – TWATS![quote] bastards! that printers needs outing.

08-04-2008, 14:04	#15 (permalink)
badaboom Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 459	would love to on here but legal nightmare I guess, so I have to make do by telling every ferker I know.

08-04-2008, 14:29	#17 (permalink)
Do Gooder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,845	distiller is a usually robust standalone pdf conversion tool. the standard 'dodat, as i know it, would be to save a .ps file through your design apps print menu (setting bleeds etc.) then drop the .ps file into distiller to make pdf love. you can save as pdf directly from illustrator.. never do that myself, as i get put off by all the extra illustrator only options but it's perfectly possible. you can also save the illustrator file as a .eps in the and drop it into distiller.. i do this sometimes when no bleed is required on a job. in an attempt to streamline things in work i have been trialing exporting pdfs directly from indesign since moving to cs3. naay bover... so far. ahem. Last edited by Do Gooder : 08-04-2008 at 15:00.

08-04-2008, 17:24	#18 (permalink)
luxbrand Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 538	I completely overlooked that I had Distiller as part of CS3 Collection. I just printed my latest piece to a .PS file and distilled it and the file size was 1.7MB vs 5.4MB from InDesign PDF export. And that's high quality print. Amazing! __________________ httpcolonforwardslashforwardslashwwwdotbranddotluforwardslash

08-04-2008, 17:33	#20 (permalink)
luxbrand Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 538	Does Distiller have a feature like "Print Booklet" that InDesign has? Saves the headache of having to arrange the pages manually for a saddle stitch job. __________________ httpcolonforwardslashforwardslashwwwdotbranddotluforwardslash

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