[hawken]

may have asked this before, but is there a way to re-direct IE6 and lower to a different page?

[Limbo]

No need to do that really - what's the issue? You can usually solve it all with some clever CSS - unless it's a server side bug?

(the answer is yes - you can use server/javascript to 'sniff' browsers - and deliver content accordingly)

[hawken]

do you think this would work?

<!--[if IE 5.0]>
	<META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="0; URL=ng.html">
<![endif]-->
<!--[if IE 5.5]>
	<META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="0; URL=ng.html">
<![endif]-->
<!--[if IE 6]>
	<META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="0; URL=ng.html">
<![endif]-->

edit:

just tested it now, works perfectly!

[herkalees]

If you must redirect visitors based on their browser, try to do it server-side instead of client-side. The Google will demote you pretty quick if it notices...

[freelancr]

If you really must redirect IE5 - 5.5 - 6 users to another page, then try this instead.

<!--[if lte IE 6]>
	<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; url=ng.html">
<![endif]-->

Can I ask why you are redirecting users, instead of just modifying the css the other browsers receive?

[freelancr]

Ah, just checked out the page. What you are doing has been done before, research the browser wars between Netscape and Internet Explorer. It was a very sad time indeed.

There is nothing on your website that cannot be viewed by IE5, IE5.5 and IE6. You are wasting your time, and your visitors time, by redirecting them to a page that is basically paying "Fuck Off". Not many people are going to change their software to suit you.

Some users may not be able to upgrade their browsers, they may be on locked down terminals which are maintained by an IT department. Or they may just not know how to install a new browser....

IE6 still holds the majority share, and will do for a long time to come. So if you won't support IE6 for your own website, who the fuck is going to employ you to build theirs? I know I wouldn't.

[Limbo]

harsh but true.

You need to support IE, even if you don't support it

[cjgraphix]

I agree with Limbo. You need to support it in some way.

I deliver different content. IE users get a 'Get Firefox Banner' while everyone else gets a slideshow of my current feature projects.

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by cjgraphix

I deliver different content. IE users get a 'Get Firefox Banner' while everyone else gets a slideshow of my current feature projects.

Confusing your visitors acheives nothing, why prevent IE users from seeing your current work? You two are as bad as each other. I'm by no means a Microsoft fanboy, but the internet should be accessible to all.

[Limbo]

Originally Posted by freelancr

I'm by no means a Microsoft fanboy, but the internet should be accessible to all.

here here

[newbie1976]

Sorry to divert off the point slightly, but seems a good place for me to ask this question:

I've always felt I should be using Firefox, from a standards and security point of view.

However, I've carried on using IE for a few reasons:

1. The main reason is that the type on IE on my computer is much easier to read - slightly bolder and crisper. Is this something to do with ClearType? Is there anything I can do to get Firefox looking as good as IE?

2. That annoying dashed box that appears around links in Firefox when you click them.

3. The page shift that occurs in Firefox as you go from a page smaller than the browser window to one bigger than the browser window - ie. when a scrollbar is brought in.

I know there's loads of Firefox users out there. Just wondering if you've got anything to say that would convince me to make the switch?

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by newbie1976

1. The main reason is that the type on IE on my computer is much easier to read - slightly bolder and crisper. Is this something to do with ClearType? Is there anything I can do to get Firefox looking as good as IE?

You can anti-aliase fonts in windows for all applications. Right click the desktop, select the appearance tab, click effects. Click the checkbox next to the words “Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts” and select “ClearType” from the dropdown field.

Originally Posted by newbie1976

2. That annoying dashed box that appears around links in Firefox when you click them.

You may be able to disable it globally, the css to remove the dotted line on your own website is "outline: 0".

Originally Posted by newbie1976

3. The page shift that occurs in Firefox as you go from a page smaller than the browser window to one bigger than the browser window - ie. when a scrollbar is brought in.

You may be able to disable it globally, the css to remove the scrollbar on your own website is "body {overflow: -moz-scrollbars-vertical;}".

Originally Posted by newbie1976

I know there's loads of Firefox users out there. Just wondering if you've got anything to say that would convince me to make the switch?

There are lots of addons for firefox that make your job easier. There is IE-Tab, Web Developer Toolbar, HTML Validator, the list goes on. All I couldn't live without now.

[newbie1976]

Thanks freelancr. That's really helpful

Now I've got ClearType on Firefox I'm definitely going to switch over.

Even if I can't do anything about points 2 and 3 the advantages of Firefox will definitely outweigh those of IE.

Also, will be a nice way to be register my disapproval of Microsoft's disregard for web standards.

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by newbie1976

Also, will be a nice way to be register my disapproval of Microsoft's disregard for web standards.

IE7 is quite good, though I still have to use a few things in my conditional comments.

[hawken]

I clearly don't care anymore.

dadako.com works perfectly in IE anything but I just couldn't be arsed anymore.

I demand industry standards, not accessibility.

If the internet should be truly accessible to all, then all should use tools for reading the internet that support industry standard accessibility.

Or made aware of this.

The firefox banner isn't me being a firefox fan boy, but I couldn't find anything for safari or IE7.

[cjgraphix]

Originally Posted by freelancr

Confusing your visitors acheives nothing, why prevent IE users from seeing your current work? You two are as bad as each other. I'm by no means a Microsoft fanboy, but the internet should be accessible to all.

It's not confusing them because they don't anything else. They can walk right into my portfolio like everyone else and see it just fine. It's just an extra feature that I am giving to Firefox users. It's my own site so I got to make that decision.