[sorgey]

I've been using photoshop for a while and decided to get into web design. I pretty much self taught myself html and CSS.

This is the third website I've ever made (first 'real' website, though), hand coded it entirely with notepad. Lots of trial and error :/.

jesuswasmadeofmayonnaise.info

I have one problem though - I can't get my tabs under my header no matter what I do

If anyone could help me with that - or give me any pointers ect, that'd be really great.

And sorry about the slow host and the horrible code :/

[wavereel]

I'd use the tables.

[pgo]

Ignore wavereel completely.

First off, don't use empty <div>s for everything. You might as well be using tables, inline images, and font tags if you're going to do that or just slice things up in Dreamweaver.

But you know better than to do that, so it's time to learn how to do things right!

Try Googling "css layouts" and reading up and learning how those work. You could certainly put those menu items below the header as they are, but it would be needlessly complicated.

You don't need to use positioning at all for a layout like that. Normal document flow and floats would work fine and be a lot more flexible - for instance, your content boxes don't grow at all.

Spend a lot of time at www.htmldog.com

Please email me at mayodesigns@gmail.com if you have any questions about designing a website for you, until a proper contact page is set up.

And please stop trying to sell yourself as something you're not. That's irritating. You can't perform a service you don't know how to do!

Actually, this has inspired me. I'm going to start repairing cars in my spare time....even though I have no idea how an engine works! It can't be hard, I'll just bang around with a hammer and a wrench until it "works"!

I do mostly any kind of style, but I perfer doing web 2.0 the best, for many reasons.

Ugh. This is why I hate the term "Web 2.0". It was irritating enough when it was just a marketing buzzword, but now that it's morphed into a "style", it's lost all meaning.

Diagonal stripes, how bleeding edge!

[gkwinspired]

Wow PGO - harsh, harsh, harsh - I'm assuming you'll call it constructive critisism. Got a question for you though:
Why does it seem as though you are so threatened by someone offering web design?

Just a question.

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Greg

[Dusteh]

Because its like me offering to do open heart surgery.

Yeah I'll give it a good go and try my hardest. Yeah I'm much cheaper than those real doctors. But you are going to get a serious bodge job because at the end of the day I haven't got a fucking clue what I'm doing.

As a designer why do you not feel irritated that someone seems to think they can offer to do what you do for a living with no knowledge? Its insulting.

[gkwinspired]

See but that is the thing.....He can't do what we can and that is apperant. I do, however; feel that crushing someone and or discouraging them in something isn't the best way to go. I am not saying that the design he has listed deserves awards, but it has a decent foundation. I am not against constructive criticism, but I know that at this moment - he doesn't offer what we offer - but then again we have been doing it for a while.

I say - keep working at it man - but I wouldn't charge any money for 'em!
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Greg

[Jayx]

I think that you're missing the point gkwinspired. No one here will try to discourage anyone from being a designer as long as they prove to be willing to learn. We're all here to help and we all need advice from time to time. Similarly we all take offence if guys start calling themselves designers, start offering it as a service and flaunt it on the very same webshites that we are helping them to fix.

BTW pgo, if you want to learn more about fixing cars you should ask skyrocket. He knows all about widgets that come out of the combobulator doohickie

[skyrocket]

yeah and i know a lot about open heart surgery too by the way. i see the op has moved the tabs now so i'm guessing the problem is fixed. there's quite a few 'designers' who post here on DT trying to get the community to help them build their website. bit embarrassing really but you have to give it to them - i wouldn't have the kahanus. hard to feel threatened by this really though isn't it? i find it all a bit amusing. i mean what kind of name is jesuswasmadeofmayonnaise anyway? everyone who's read the da vinci code knows the real answer to who made jesus was the mona lisa. blimey :/

[RaelRode]

You also need to fix your footer, its in the middle of the page. I would never go to this website unless i followed a link, its just too long, and it sounds pathetic. You've used reflective font too much and you've overdone it. Try going to ColourLovers for a decent colour palette. Yours has too many colours in it.

[gkwinspired]

BTW pgo, if you want to learn more about fixing cars you should ask skyrocket. He knows all about widgets that come out of the combobulator doohickie

I can't believe you guys can remember such off the wall kind of stuff. And by the way Jayx - I do get your point though. It just seems sometimes you guys are more into ripping these newbs apart - rather than helping them. Ah- well.

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Greg

[mattp]

At least in Safari 2.0.4, the footer image is covering the main content, instead of being below everything else.

I experimented with a downloaded copy of your page, and removing " bottom: 0px;" from the "foot" class fixes the issue.

Also, make sure that all of your paragraphs are closed (<p>blahblah</p> instead of just <p>blahblah) I would recommend using list items (<li>) for the menu items, because its more correct.

I dont know what you can do, but there sure seems like a lot of classes in there, like the ones for the menu items - can you simplify it at all?

[skyrocket]

i read an interview with andre agassi where he was asked how he felt after thrashing someone 6-1 6-2 6-1 and he said something along the lines of "you don't let up because you can't deny that other guy's experience. he'll learn more from this than from 20 victories"

[Jayx]

Originally Posted by gkwinspired

I can't believe you guys can remember such off the wall kind of stuff. And by the way Jayx - I do get your point though. It just seems sometimes you guys are more into ripping these newbs apart - rather than helping them. Ah- well.

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Greg

Well, we're designers and tend to be off-the-wall type of people.

People taking you apart on this forum is one thing - people not saying a word is a much bigger concern.

[Dusteh]

t just seems sometimes you guys are more into ripping these newbs apart - rather than helping them. Ah- well.

Because there are so many of them, they just keep coming, asking pointless questions and then when they get their answer they leave the forum never to return. You are new, in time you will become as jaded as the rest of us. :P

[skyrocket]

Originally Posted by Dusteh

in time you will become as jaded as the rest of us. :P

yes resistance is futile :/ i'm relatively new myself and i have noticed this forum does seem to attract a lot of one-post-wonders usually stuck with problems that could be solved by 10 mins googling. these same people then disappear and don't seem to want to stick around and join in the designer community spirit of the thing

[djeglin]

The problem is that you guys are perpetuating the problem that jades you so. Of course people aren't going to stick around when after their first post they get royally ripped into... He didn't even ask for someone to do it for him... He just asked for a bit of help to figure out where he was going wrong. This is where I tend to employ my policy of "If you're not going to say something useful, dont say anything at all". I just don't bother ripping in to people. I've had people do it to me here, for no good reason, and I nearly didnt come back... But seeing as I know enough about forums to know that every new person is nearly always treated like sh*t, I thought I would persevere. Now I like to think I have helped a couple of people out, and I like that. I dont like, and have never liked, all the "old" members who think they own the place ripping on people just because they can. How about some support for the ones who are still trying to learn... and remember you dont know everything yourself. Maybe one day when someone asks a question I'll start ripping on them needlessly? Or maybe not... Maybe I'm a bit better than that. Who knows.

David

[Dusteh]

To be fair I think PGO's post was more helpful than anything else - it told him what to avoid and where to go for basic learning. The first reply by one of your beloved newcomers helpfully told the guy to use tables. Fucking great.

If you are going to advertise your design services when its blatently obvious you can't design - and then come on a forum for designers to ask for help - I think its a fair post.

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Of course he could just be a kid blah BLAH BLAH....

[kwills]

The reflections look ridiculous, Amateur in fact . . . .

[djeglin]

I didnt say that the "newcomers" were perfect, and I wasnt saying that the OP was without fault... But I just tend to try and be more constructive and less shilling in my posts, thats all. I think I'm just getting annoyed that all newcomers to these forums are automatically tarred with the same brush. I dunno

Dave

[Dusteh]

Ask a sensible question, get a sensible answer.

I think it all comes down to what you expect out of the forum - its all relative I guess. I want to read industry-orientated problems from people who spend their days designing and need help from other designers. I do not want to keep reading amateur posts from people who have no long term interest in the forum, or design for that matter. I think its bad form to join a forum with a simple problem or two, and then bugger off again.

If we piss off some people who might have continued to post had we been all nicey-nicey - I'm willing to take that risk, better that than be shat by people tapping us for knowledge with no payback.

Outright abuse for the sake of abuse is a bad thing, I don't think many people do that. Oli might disagree - its his forum!