[Brown]

ok. background set using css:

body {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
background-color: #000;
background-image: url(../images/bkg.jpg);
background-position: center;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}

if scroll bars are needed on that frame then the background image shifts about meaning that you can't centre align anything with the top frame. mozilla does the same but slightly differently.

http://dev.flark.net/abovethesky/

any pointers? cheers chaps.

[Bill Posters]

Have you considered ditching a frames-based layout and going with a holistic layout? (one where a scrollbar will shift the entire page rather than just sections).
If not, you should.
If you have, you should consider it again.

[Brown]

turn it in bill, its not a frames argument. i've changed it now, by placing a div around the whole page and putting the image as a background to that div. not ideal. work in progress...

[Bill Posters]

When it's frames that are creating the problem, then it's a frames argument.
Sorry for trying to point you in the right direction.

[Brown]

even if it was not framed the issue would be the same. an element aligned centre in the page will not align with a background image positioned by css as this behaves differently on different browsers depending on the presence of browser scrollbars.

you were not pointing in the right direction, you were getting on your high goat about frames. sometimes technical restrictions, client requirements and design require frames to produce a site that fits the brief.

[Brown]

arse beards. i'm wrong. it all moves the same. dismounting goat now...

[Brown]

only in mozilla however. ie behaves itself.

[Mik]

i see two menus at top

flark!

[Bill Posters]

Just out of interest, what are the bits that require the site to be done in frames?
Maybe there's some way around it that would keep the site intact and the client (and more importantly - me ) happy.

...and remember, I'm only trying to help you , Ro-land.

[Stickman]

Originally Posted by japanmik

i see two menus at top

flark!

I see two as well - one in the top frame and one in the main frame. That can't be right.

[Brown]

no, its not right. its just so i can see what's going on. surley its too obvious to be taken as an error? cheers though. any solutions to the scroll thing in mozilla?

[Mik]

Originally Posted by Brown

any solutions to the scroll thing in mozilla?

honestly?

[Mik]

dare I

[Brown]

go on then. i've not told anyone to fuck off all week.

[Stickman]

Originally Posted by Brown

any solutions to the scroll thing in mozilla?

No.

I arsed about with scrollbars in mozilla a while back > here

I think you could fix it with set heights and so on, but a user's screen resolution might spaz it up.
Try ignoring it.

[Mik]

Originally Posted by Brown

go on then. i've not told anyone to fuck off all week.

how novel.

[Brown]

thought you'd like it. cheers stickboy. working on that one now.

[Brown]

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72540

Originally Posted by lazy developers at mozilla

This bug will not be fixed, but we will be introducing ways of letting Web page authors (and users, through user stylesheets) control this, so settle down people, your needs will be addressed!

WONTFIX.

have to wait for css3. how long? beuller? beuller?