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pgo · 18-10-2005, 08:46

And don't forget their budget. Big money clients get charged more.

jase1000 · 18-10-2005, 08:47

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Originally Posted by d*d

c = (r(ru + agg) x l)-cr

You forgot to add £24.80

gray · 18-10-2005, 08:48

cr*a+p = x

mik has a similar formula, but uses the un*t method

jase1000 · 18-10-2005, 08:49

This thread has degenerated quite nicely.

gray · 18-10-2005, 08:50

and dame still hasnt got a clue

sub · 18-10-2005, 08:50

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Originally Posted by jase1000

This thread has degenerated quite nicely.

Don't say that ... Cam will lock it

Stickman · 18-10-2005, 09:20

pgo · 18-10-2005, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jase1000

This thread has degenerated quite nicely.

We call that "graceful degredation".

Sorry, I've been reading Jeremy Keith's DOM book.

dame · 18-10-2005, 09:50

very confused now. Some helpful comments i will take on board, but very confused with all the algebra. (i was never good at that)!

datahound · 18-10-2005, 10:06

I like to work to a day rate.
If you are happy to earn £200 a day, (£200 x 200 working days = £40K a year)
then charge £100 if you think will take half day etc.

I sometimes charge a lot more, sometimes less. Depends on what the client can afford, whether I think I will enjoy it, etc.

sub · 18-10-2005, 10:06

You could always just charge what you think it is worth.

i.e What your landlord/mortgage company think it is worth charging you each month.

sub · 18-10-2005, 10:07

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Originally Posted by datahound

I like to work to a day rate.
If you are happy to earn £200 a day, (£200 x 200 working days = £40K a year)
then charge £100 if you think will take half day etc.

That's what I said (kindof)!

d*d · 18-10-2005, 10:14

£200 a day is the same as £25 an hour

Accurate · 19-10-2005, 10:35

Like most people here I charge per hour and quote how long it will take. I also have a guideline of how long projects usually take... ie. 3 - 5 hrs logo design. etc.

What hourly rate do you guys charge per hour?

pgo · 19-10-2005, 11:32

$30 US at the moment. Considering going to $40.

dan · 19-10-2005, 12:21

I work out what I need to charge hourly/daily depending on the project (bit of javascript doesn't take a day) add 20% for all the quote writing emails & phone calls. Then double it and present it to the client who says *fuck me how much* we then negotiate and I end up with a figure I can live with and still remain profitable if the project drags on longer than expected.

I always quote on a project basis, they don't get a breakdown of hours unless they ask (and they never have). Though often a project quote will involve a core site price with optional extras - you want that super search you pay me more, you want cms that'll cost you this much etc etc. Gives you both some room for manouvering and helps them feel a bit more in control, plus when they inevitably ask for it later you can just point to your quote and say sure it'll cost you... and there's less debate. It doesn't have to be the same things but the fact that your costing out parts should give them an idea of what to expect and that you haven't just plucked some number out of the air once you've already won the contract.

It's an art in itself and that's why we love project managers (good ones anyway

)

d*d · 19-10-2005, 12:28

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Originally Posted by pgo

$30 US at the moment. Considering going to $40.

I would have thought you could get away with charging more, don't know what the market is like in America but £30 ($50) an hour isn't unusual over here for someone with your sort of knowledge base (of course, your design could be shit)

pgo · 19-10-2005, 15:11

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Originally Posted by d*d

I would have thought you could get away with charging more, don't know what the market is like in America but £30 ($50) an hour isn't unusual over here for someone with your sort of knowledge base (of course, your design could be shit)

No, since I'm just starting out in a very, very limited market (small town, small businesses, low budgets, etc.) I felt that $30, while a bit low is an amount I can live with for now. $50-100+ is more standard around the country I believe.

As soon as work starts coming in, I'll be able to charge more.

datahound · 19-10-2005, 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan

I work out what I need to charge hourly/daily depending on the project (bit of javascript doesn't take a day) add 20% for all the quote writing emails & phone calls. Then double it and present it to the client who says *fuck me how much* we then negotiate and I end up with a figure I can live with and still remain profitable if the project drags on longer than expected.

Quality

datahound · 19-10-2005, 16:35

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Originally Posted by d*d

..(of course, your design would be shit)

Cruel

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pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	And don't forget their budget. Big money clients get charged more.

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gray i still want paying Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: newcastle, uk Posts: 4,768	cra+p = x mik has a similar formula, but uses the unt method

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dame small neck Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bradford, Uk Posts: 275	very confused now. Some helpful comments i will take on board, but very confused with all the algebra. (i was never good at that)!

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datahound Spare Parts Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bracknell Forest Posts: 5,118	I like to work to a day rate. If you are happy to earn £200 a day, (£200 x 200 working days = £40K a year) then charge £100 if you think will take half day etc. I sometimes charge a lot more, sometimes less. Depends on what the client can afford, whether I think I will enjoy it, etc.

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sub Shitcasket™ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brighton Posts: 4,722	You could always just charge what you think it is worth. i.e What your landlord/mortgage company think it is worth charging you each month.

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d*d Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,394	£200 a day is the same as £25 an hour

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Accurate Accurate Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,311	Like most people here I charge per hour and quote how long it will take. I also have a guideline of how long projects usually take... ie. 3 - 5 hrs logo design. etc. What hourly rate do you guys charge per hour?

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pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	$30 US at the moment. Considering going to $40.

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dan Iris Folder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: smokey Posts: 2,649	I work out what I need to charge hourly/daily depending on the project (bit of javascript doesn't take a day) add 20% for all the quote writing emails & phone calls. Then double it and present it to the client who says fuck me how much we then negotiate and I end up with a figure I can live with and still remain profitable if the project drags on longer than expected. I always quote on a project basis, they don't get a breakdown of hours unless they ask (and they never have). Though often a project quote will involve a core site price with optional extras - you want that super search you pay me more, you want cms that'll cost you this much etc etc. Gives you both some room for manouvering and helps them feel a bit more in control, plus when they inevitably ask for it later you can just point to your quote and say sure it'll cost you... and there's less debate. It doesn't have to be the same things but the fact that your costing out parts should give them an idea of what to expect and that you haven't just plucked some number out of the air once you've already won the contract. It's an art in itself and that's why we love project managers (good ones anyway )

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