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grazrootz · 12-08-2005, 01:57

guys is it ok to use frames?

skyrocket · 12-08-2005, 02:27

Two articles to read...

Frames - Just Say No

Frames - Good or Bad?

finbarr · 12-08-2005, 05:44

No No No!!!

seen.to · 12-08-2005, 13:52

I've only come across one instance where frames were actually necessary and this was in a small testing utility I built a few weeks back for work to test dev versions of sites versus live versions quickly and easily.

Other than that, NO!

oli · 12-08-2005, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by grazrootz

guys is it ok to use frames?

use a scrollling div

Luke Redpath · 12-08-2005, 14:04

Rarely useful. Can be useful for online documentation (contents in left frame, pages in the right frame...CHM/PDF style) but thats about it.

adras · 12-08-2005, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yer Dad

Just exactly what are these frames you webbie peeps are always yapping on about anyway?

Frames alow you to load mutliple .html files on one window and each .html file can have its own scroll bars...

And no don't use frames...

pgo · 13-08-2005, 22:34

Frames bad. Fire good.

This ancient knowledge should serve you as it has served all humanity through recorded history.

Frames bad. Fire good.

mx · 15-08-2005, 07:48

there are a few instances I've come across where frames are useful, but as a general rule: no!

like oli said, there are plenty of better ways to create the same effect!

NickToye · 15-08-2005, 10:16

If you were to use an online document system where you have links to content in one frame and the content itself in another. You can achieve this effect by having a sidebar with the links and using the DOM to show/hide content in a content div. Works quicker too.

Dusteh · 15-08-2005, 10:59

Frames can be a plausable option when you need to call in websites that you have no control over content... take google image search as an ideal example. I had to do the same for a client who wanted to 'brand' several of his suppliers websites with his logo at the top - websites I had no access to and in some cases had no idea what they would look like... just dumping his logo into a header frame and calling in the required sites kept him happy.

NickToye · 15-08-2005, 11:23

fast food design

Luke Redpath · 17-08-2005, 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickToye

You can achieve this effect by having a sidebar with the links and using the DOM to show/hide content in a content div. Works quicker too.

You honestly think something like this:

http://api.rubyonrails.com

Would be better without frames?

stickmus · 17-08-2005, 11:00

I do, that's horrible.

Brown · 17-08-2005, 11:19

its not meant to be nice, its an information resource. anyone browsing it is not going to be bothered by the design...

Luke Redpath · 20-08-2005, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brown

its not meant to be nice, its an information resource. anyone browsing it is not going to be bothered by the design...

Exactly, for navigating the extensive API docs, its practically perfect.

Another example:

http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/

Frames were designed for this sort of thing, don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Look at things like Adobe Acrobat bookmarks view, Windows CHM files. Its all the same. Online documentation without frames (especially ones with horrible Java plugins to replace the contents tree on the left) get a huge thumbs down from me.

mantramalhotra · 23-08-2005, 11:06

Never use Frames, Its bad for search engine optimisation as well

- Mantra

Luke Redpath · 23-08-2005, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by mantramalhotra

Never use Frames

Except when you need to.

MichaelOzz · 23-08-2005, 18:31

Ok These are the good Frames .... the other kind are very bad and stay away from them!!

Mic

p.s in all seriousness these guys are probably the best live band around!!

Stickman · 24-08-2005, 05:58

They don't look it.

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Luke Redpath Barney army! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London Posts: 692	Rarely useful. Can be useful for online documentation (contents in left frame, pages in the right frame...CHM/PDF style) but thats about it. __________________ Luke Redpath .::. Software Engineer .::. Reevoo - Real Reviews From Real Customers

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mantramalhotra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5	Never use Frames, Its bad for search engine optimisation as well - Mantra Last edited by dan : 23-08-2005 at 12:03.

23-08-2005, 18:31	#19 (permalink)
MichaelOzz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Belfast, Ireland Posts: 122	Good & Bad Frames Ok These are the good Frames .... the other kind are very bad and stay away from them!! Mic p.s in all seriousness these guys are probably the best live band around!!

12-08-2005, 02:27	#2 (permalink)
skyrocket SkyRocket Design Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chichester Posts: 536	Two articles to read... Frames - Just Say No Frames - Good or Bad?

12-08-2005, 05:44	#3 (permalink)
finbarr who the fuck am i? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: london Posts: 2,660	No No No!!!

13-08-2005, 22:34	#8 (permalink)
pgo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,340	Frames bad. Fire good. This ancient knowledge should serve you as it has served all humanity through recorded history. Frames bad. Fire good.

15-08-2005, 07:48	#9 (permalink)
mx fucksocks™ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: in the boosh Posts: 1,629	there are a few instances I've come across where frames are useful, but as a general rule: no! like oli said, there are plenty of better ways to create the same effect!

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NickToye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chester Posts: 364	If you were to use an online document system where you have links to content in one frame and the content itself in another. You can achieve this effect by having a sidebar with the links and using the DOM to show/hide content in a content div. Works quicker too.

15-08-2005, 10:59	#11 (permalink)
Dusteh Sir digby chicken caesar Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 5,289	Frames can be a plausable option when you need to call in websites that you have no control over content... take google image search as an ideal example. I had to do the same for a client who wanted to 'brand' several of his suppliers websites with his logo at the top - websites I had no access to and in some cases had no idea what they would look like... just dumping his logo into a header frame and calling in the required sites kept him happy.

15-08-2005, 11:23	#12 (permalink)
NickToye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chester Posts: 364	fast food design

17-08-2005, 11:00	#14 (permalink)
stickmus hmmm... Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Yorkuk Posts: 2,127	I do, that's horrible.

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Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,147	its not meant to be nice, its an information resource. anyone browsing it is not going to be bothered by the design...

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Stickman Dr. Lucien Sanchez Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK Posts: 5,563	They don't look it.

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