[pgo]

Originally Posted by freelancr

for fucks sake!

It's called marketing.

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by pgo

It's called marketing.

Why would a not for profit site, with nothing to sell, that is already getting 600K unique a day, need to pay on the chance that they may win a link. Its money up the wall, better spent elsewhere.

[seen.to]

Freelancr, you really don't have a clue what you are talking about do you.

A staff of 30 doesn't mean that everyone is a developer, I'm actually the only front-end developer here. We have a couple of Java developers, a systems admin taking care of the 22+ servers that we run, editors that write the articles, doctors that review them, a copy editor to ensure that there are no grammatical errors, a marketing team, a COO and a CEO/Chief medical editor. The fact that the site is 13 years old means there is a lot of legacy stuff which needs to be fixed, not that there has been 13 years to create a standards compliant site.

It is not a link from the Webby's site which is of value to us it is the prestige of a Webby award which is valuable to our marketing team when licensing our content and recognition of the quality of our content which is a good thing to show our benefactors.

We have no need to pay for links as we are already linked to from thousands of quality sites such as Unicef and the Library of Congress. We don't need any help with the SERPS, check out some of our results on Google. Search common terms such as blood (#4 out of 351m), chickenpox (#1 out of 1.3m), endocrine (#3 out of 10m), children's health (#1 out of 13.5m), health site (#5 out of 68m) and thousands of others.

You know nothing of the Webby awards - you hadn't even heard of it till yesterday you muppet - it's not a raffle, winners are chosen by a panel of judges based on quality not luck. The People's Voice award was voted for by visitors to the site.

Until you do get a clue what you are talking about you should probably stick to talking to yourself. Shame you're too scared to show any of your own work but I'm sure you're hugely succesful and help millions of people every week.

[roto]

Originally Posted by pgo

...working on large projects is a very different game than the midsize sites I was used to: there are half a dozen developers working on the same front-end code. Perfection is hard to come by when deadlines are looming. There are dozens of stakeholders, there's code from external sources you can't control, page elements that you can't control, and so on.

A-FUCKING-MEN to that! All of it...EVERY word.

[freelancr]

Originally Posted by seen.to

Shame you're too scared to show any of your own work

Recently put some in showcase actually.

[seen.to]

Like I actually care enough to go looking for it. Sod off and get a life.

[pgo]

Originally Posted by roto

A-FUCKING-MEN to that! All of it...EVERY word.

Add to that the project that I'm working on now is more of a clean-up of an existing site.

It's a fairly large company and they are having most of their stuff redesigned in phases. Their developers are decent at what they do, but the site has been thrown together rather sloppily - literally tens of thousands of lines of CSS - much of it redundant, ditto on JavaScript.

My job is to achieve the designers and clients goals while altering as little markup as possible and then providing diffs for the CSS I've changed. It's actually not table-based (in most places), but it's very code-heavy.

The CSS I write and the HTML I change are valid - that's just the way I work - but there's a lot of stuff I can't touch because it's not in scope.

Therefore, it stays invalid.

[2Dfruit]

aside from all the tomfoolery on this thread...good Job Seen.to

[Tom_E]

I come from a print background and have only been hand coding (X)HTML/CSS for about 6 months so I am no expert in the area.

For what it's worth I think web standards are important and should be adhered to if possible, the benefits are many.

However, they are only guidelines and NOT the be all and end all.

If a web site gets 600K uniques a day and helps millions of people in an important social area then that web site is a big success, compliant code or not.

[seen.to]

Thanks adras, dogooder, steveb, 2dfruit and tom_e

Just found out that I will be one of the five from our organization attending the event on June 10th - well chuffed Looks pretty swanky. clicky

Also found out that there were over 9,500 entries and that judging is by an international panel of 550 judges.

[pgo]

Nice lineup of special guests!

We should have a DesignersDrink (see what I did there) meetup while you're here.

[seen.to]

Absolutely.

[rampagegfx]

Cheers on getting the webby+invitation.

[RaelRode]

Oh how I wish I had a webby and all the bragginn rights that come with it. *sigh*

[roto]

Originally Posted by 2Dfruit

tomfoolery

A word that could oft be used to describe many 'a dt discussions. Fine choice.