[Narate]

Having a hard time with a PR company this morning. Is it standard fair that they are all cocks?

Did them a brand it looks ace, now she has gone down to B&Q to pick out some colours she likes and has decided the business card is going to be an embossed on flock.

I think she's done that "How to be a designer in 3 months" course in the Metro.

I told the account girl to say "You're a fucking moron!" to her and I'll pay her redundancy wage. Fingers crossed.

[niggle]

Yeeech.

A lot of PR and marketing people think they know about design because they work with designers, yeah. Maybe if you gave her business-sounding reasons for not doing the flock version - like, "it'll date quickly" or "your target market prefers..." then she might come round?

[Coops]

Shit innit? I was once asked to come up with some ideas for a menu for a restaurant for whom we did quite a lot of previous work. The marketing girl there was basically a PA who had been 'promoted' because she threatened to leave. Knew absolutely fuck all about design or marketing, but said she trusted us to produce something appropriate. We discussed something very simple but beautifully executed and produced and she agreed.

The new 'classically French trained' chef wanted to have a huge (between A3 and A2, 4pp!) glossy, wipe-clean menu with dodgy scripty fonts and daily specials kind of 'stuck on' with this little metal clip. They were going for a Michelin star, so I tried to explain that they really need a simple, nicely designed, elegant card as a menu. Oh no, they knew best. I had to try and calmly argue my point to a room of 7 various managers, chefs and the marketing girl who basically slagged us off in front of her colleagues and try to say that what we had come up with wasn't what she asked for. Which is so blatantly WAS what she asked for in our initial briefing.

[badaboom]

Degree in Marketing = Failed at design but still think you are in the design process.

[Herr Kurm]

[Alexanda]

PR companies are all fucking evil. They should all go and take their faces for a shit.

[seen.to]

Pretty standard fare I'm afraid. I asked one why she bothered using a designer after the 5th round of changes as she "clearly knew more about this than me" and all it got me was another round of revisions accompanied with a 'knowing' chuckle which intimated that she agreed but was way too important to get hands on with design software or a pencil.

There's also a tendency to paste a logo on a wireframe, (which has also come from said marketing person and rarely follows any logical structure or purpose), and accompany it with "Hey I comped this up so if you can make it just like that it will be great."

They also seem to be the best breed for wanting everything done yesterday while not being able to sign off till tomorrow or supply content till next Thursday.

[badaboom]

Originally Posted by Alexanda

PR companies are all fucking evil. They should all go and take their faces for a shit.

I get a fair bit of work via a PR/Marketing company, the first time I dealt with them I nearly fainted, the boss there said “dont get me involved with the design process, thats your job”!!!

Never had a problem with them or their customers since, if the customer gets out of line she puts them straight.

She is a very rare breed mind (and a MILF!) as the rest are the biggest bunch of wankers you could meet.

[woodss]

And you're from Newcastle ... who is it? :P

[badaboom]

they are not based anywhere near Newcastle!