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EmmaPhlema · 16-10-2007, 16:27

I do lots of designs from brochures-posters-ad. They ask me to do it and it looks good and then they say...can you add some of this crap? I like comic sans? can you add a small piece of shite in the corner and then add our logo, oh and then these two other logos? And make sure there is a border, how about an old time border, burnt edges? Then can you like it on fire and shove it up my ass and email it to my secretary and her hair dresser?

AHHHH - I'm going insane!
I just have to vent. I know most people in upper management have no idea about design, but they also have a huge problem trusting other people and have to add all their crap to it before it goes out...well actually it doesn't go out, it goes to about 20 other idiots that add their own crap, back to me and then out again and it usually follows that shite stream over and over and over again until out pops a total god awful design by "me". I'm embarassed to sumbit these things to newspapers and whathaveyou...

ah...piss. i really just want to run into our stockroom slam the door and scream every dirty word that i've ever heard.

freelancr · 16-10-2007, 16:49

I hate this too. I tried to get a client to like the same colours as the designer, as they worked well together, but no... lets have #ff0000 red on florescent green with a nice navy blue background as it doesn't want to make me stab my eyes out with an ice pick.

Herr Kurm · 16-10-2007, 16:53

I know what you feel. As I have a few temper problems I get aggressive - it mostly works wonders. People tend to trust you when you show your confidence (I know, I am awkward and do it the wrong way), it will be fucking nightmare if you dont have good relationship with your boss.

Id recommend switching workplace. Its a hassle in the beginning but much better for your nerves and portfolio in the wrong run.

Do Gooder · 16-10-2007, 17:07

there's a serious lack of trust and understanding growing in the industry. Some clients think you make work pressing a button in photoshop.

they would do the work themselves... but when they loaded up photoshop the other day, they could see the button that makes a photo of their child look like a oil painting but couldn't see the right one to press to make their badly written word document a brochure.

Limbo · 17-10-2007, 15:24

Horrible when client becomes designer. Sadly it's all too common. Try reading this, it might help you deal with these fekkers

When I get asked to change a design on a whim, I tend to ask the for a rationale - this is the best way to flummox them - if they can provide a decent rationale for any of their 'ideas' then you have to fight, position normal, if they can't you win.

Limbo · 17-10-2007, 15:25

screaming helps too.

Dusteh · 17-10-2007, 15:31

Quote:

Some clients think you make work pressing a button in photoshop.

This is definately a problem. One client thought web design was literally a drag and drop procedure.

Herr Kurm · 17-10-2007, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limbo

Try reading this, it might help you deal with these fekkers

Thanks for reminding me this one, 20 quid is bloody cheap if it is any help.

Ordered.

Patr100 · 20-10-2007, 06:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusteh

This is definately a problem. One client thought web design was literally a drag and drop procedure.

Eh? You mean it isn't?

Surely you get dragged in and then then dropped right in it....

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steveb · 20-10-2007, 07:23

Last year I had a client who wanted just the banner for a website. It had to be spring-like, fresh and incorporate a dozen pictures ranging from 1920s photos to architectural schematics and embroidery. It went through 14 revisions (the first was really stylish - I don't put forward crap!) and it slowly turned into a turgid, drab animation which didn't fit with the rest of the page in any way. The client was finally delighted and paid my tiny original estimate, refusing to pay for the countless hours I'd put in on all the changes.
Fifteen months later, the banner has still not been implemented!

centro · 20-10-2007, 07:26

I worked for a large college in Hampshire once. The management were all crooked cunts. I left.

Hunch · 20-10-2007, 08:27

Weak managers do it because they feel it justifies their position. If they don't change anything or make any suggestions, what's the point of them being there?

.sleep · 21-10-2007, 16:41

we deal through these two marketing whores for one of our clients at work. they both fight between themselves, each one trying to get rid of the other one's ideas. one of them has taken a single design class in uni, so therefore can tell us what we are doing wrong. she sends us 300 dpi .psds of her ideas for web layouts.

d*d · 22-10-2007, 05:08

ideasonideas » Blog Archive » How to disarm 10 difficult client observations/requests

this might help in dealing with some issues. As with the book recommended it only really helps if you are talking directly to the person who has requested the change - in practice a designer is often 2 or 3 people removed from that position. Some agencies have a 'pump out crap that the client requests to keep them happy' methodology at their heart - if you work for one of those, consider moving

16-10-2007, 16:27	#1 (permalink)
EmmaPhlema Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: "BrewCity" Milwaukee, WI Posts: 285	bosses/clients are a-holes I do lots of designs from brochures-posters-ad. They ask me to do it and it looks good and then they say...can you add some of this crap? I like comic sans? can you add a small piece of shite in the corner and then add our logo, oh and then these two other logos? And make sure there is a border, how about an old time border, burnt edges? Then can you like it on fire and shove it up my ass and email it to my secretary and her hair dresser? AHHHH - I'm going insane! I just have to vent. I know most people in upper management have no idea about design, but they also have a huge problem trusting other people and have to add all their crap to it before it goes out...well actually it doesn't go out, it goes to about 20 other idiots that add their own crap, back to me and then out again and it usually follows that shite stream over and over and over again until out pops a total god awful design by "me". I'm embarassed to sumbit these things to newspapers and whathaveyou... ah...piss. i really just want to run into our stockroom slam the door and scream every dirty word that i've ever heard. Last edited by EmmaPhlema : 17-10-2007 at 11:04.

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Herr Kurm bloody peasant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Posts: 2,689	I know what you feel. As I have a few temper problems I get aggressive - it mostly works wonders. People tend to trust you when you show your confidence (I know, I am awkward and do it the wrong way), it will be fucking nightmare if you dont have good relationship with your boss. Id recommend switching workplace. Its a hassle in the beginning but much better for your nerves and portfolio in the wrong run. __________________ refreshed portfolio Last edited by Herr Kurm : 16-10-2007 at 18:11.

17-10-2007, 15:24	#5 (permalink)
Limbo Baskin' Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,619	Horrible when client becomes designer. Sadly it's all too common. Try reading this, it might help you deal with these fekkers When I get asked to change a design on a whim, I tend to ask the for a rationale - this is the best way to flummox them - if they can provide a decent rationale for any of their 'ideas' then you have to fight, position normal, if they can't you win. __________________ CSS Search Engine

17-10-2007, 15:25	#6 (permalink)
Limbo Baskin' Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,619	screaming helps too. __________________ CSS Search Engine

20-10-2007, 07:23	#10 (permalink)
steveb 389 ppm and rising Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Järvenpää, Finland Posts: 4,933	Last year I had a client who wanted just the banner for a website. It had to be spring-like, fresh and incorporate a dozen pictures ranging from 1920s photos to architectural schematics and embroidery. It went through 14 revisions (the first was really stylish - I don't put forward crap!) and it slowly turned into a turgid, drab animation which didn't fit with the rest of the page in any way. The client was finally delighted and paid my tiny original estimate, refusing to pay for the countless hours I'd put in on all the changes. Fifteen months later, the banner has still not been implemented! __________________ My free fonts www.utfi.net

16-10-2007, 16:49	#2 (permalink)
freelancr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,171	I hate this too. I tried to get a client to like the same colours as the designer, as they worked well together, but no... lets have #ff0000 red on florescent green with a nice navy blue background as it doesn't want to make me stab my eyes out with an ice pick.

16-10-2007, 17:07	#4 (permalink)
Do Gooder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,478	there's a serious lack of trust and understanding growing in the industry. Some clients think you make work pressing a button in photoshop. they would do the work themselves... but when they loaded up photoshop the other day, they could see the button that makes a photo of their child look like a oil painting but couldn't see the right one to press to make their badly written word document a brochure.

20-10-2007, 07:26	#11 (permalink)
centro ™ Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,609	I worked for a large college in Hampshire once. The management were all crooked cunts. I left.

20-10-2007, 08:27	#12 (permalink)
Hunch Grumpy old man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Japan Posts: 1,692	Weak managers do it because they feel it justifies their position. If they don't change anything or make any suggestions, what's the point of them being there?

21-10-2007, 16:41	#13 (permalink)
.sleep Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: california Posts: 291	we deal through these two marketing whores for one of our clients at work. they both fight between themselves, each one trying to get rid of the other one's ideas. one of them has taken a single design class in uni, so therefore can tell us what we are doing wrong. she sends us 300 dpi .psds of her ideas for web layouts.

22-10-2007, 05:08	#14 (permalink)
d*d Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 3,299	ideasonideas » Blog Archive » How to disarm 10 difficult client observations/requests this might help in dealing with some issues. As with the book recommended it only really helps if you are talking directly to the person who has requested the change - in practice a designer is often 2 or 3 people removed from that position. Some agencies have a 'pump out crap that the client requests to keep them happy' methodology at their heart - if you work for one of those, consider moving

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