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John Good · 21-03-2007, 10:49

Hello,
here are some situations, wich i'd like to know how you feel about.

#1
When you have a client that need to modify his content and won't learn html. You use a CMS right ? let's say wordpress.
Do you leave the wordpress logos and copyrights in the admin ? do you skin it like your/his company identity ?

#2
the client wants a static website (he's never heard about CMS)
you use a CMS to build the site, you export it on his server
you don't tell anything to the client about the admin part (as he is completly unable to look on the server). When the client wants modifications (add a page and change navigation). you do the job in 2 hours and you charge him two days, as you would if there was no CMS involved.

#3
using expression engine
do you pay the licence and sell your work to the client or do you make the client buy the licence and then you sell your time ?

so what would you do ?

pgo · 21-03-2007, 11:10

#1 I skin it to a reasonable degree. I don't hide what's running it, though.

#2 Adding a page and changing navigation on static site shouldn't take 2 hours let alone 2 days...not sure what you're asking. Charge the client however long a task takes you. Honesty is the best policy.

#3 Client pays for the license and your time. Client should pay for all costs associated with building their site - fonts, stock photos, scripts, hosting, etc. This should be clearly mentioned in the contract.

John Good · 21-03-2007, 11:54

sorry, before asking I could have started myself
here are my views

#1
hide the engine for the non-professional eyes, keep it visible for us. I mean : change the logos, don't touch the code comments, maybe leave a x-small baseline.

#2
the work is supposed to take 2 days ? charge 2 days. No matter if you did it in 5 minutes. (assuming you still charge 2 days if a strange bug stuck you for a week)

#3 I pay the licence, as I pay my broadband and my software. I charge for my time + double (triple? ) licence price.

pgo · 21-03-2007, 12:19

The license isn't for you, though. It's for your client's website - not yours, they own it. You're simply setting it up for them. It's how every company works - at least here in the US.

Of course, you don't have to tell your client you're charging them for it - you could just work it into your estimate. Say, it'll take you 100 hours at $30/hr. That's $3,000. Add some more for unexpected delays. $4,000. Add the price of any software, say $250 for the EE license, $25 for stock images.

Total: $4275.

21-03-2007, 10:49	#1 (permalink)
John Good + Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tropical Networks Posts: 1,422	deontology : using CMS with clients Hello, here are some situations, wich i'd like to know how you feel about. #1 When you have a client that need to modify his content and won't learn html. You use a CMS right ? let's say wordpress. Do you leave the wordpress logos and copyrights in the admin ? do you skin it like your/his company identity ? #2 the client wants a static website (he's never heard about CMS) you use a CMS to build the site, you export it on his server you don't tell anything to the client about the admin part (as he is completly unable to look on the server). When the client wants modifications (add a page and change navigation). you do the job in 2 hours and you charge him two days, as you would if there was no CMS involved. #3 using expression engine do you pay the licence and sell your work to the client or do you make the client buy the licence and then you sell your time ? so what would you do ? __________________ Fonts are like cologne: A bad choice speaks louder than a good one. Justin Feinstein

21-03-2007, 11:54	#3 (permalink)
John Good + Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tropical Networks Posts: 1,422	sorry, before asking I could have started myself here are my views #1 hide the engine for the non-professional eyes, keep it visible for us. I mean : change the logos, don't touch the code comments, maybe leave a x-small baseline. #2 the work is supposed to take 2 days ? charge 2 days. No matter if you did it in 5 minutes. (assuming you still charge 2 days if a strange bug stuck you for a week) #3 I pay the licence, as I pay my broadband and my software. I charge for my time + double (triple? ) licence price. __________________ Fonts are like cologne: A bad choice speaks louder than a good one. Justin Feinstein

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21-03-2007, 11:10	#2 (permalink)
pgo i'm done, son Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,262	#1 I skin it to a reasonable degree. I don't hide what's running it, though. #2 Adding a page and changing navigation on static site shouldn't take 2 hours let alone 2 days...not sure what you're asking. Charge the client however long a task takes you. Honesty is the best policy. #3 Client pays for the license and your time. Client should pay for all costs associated with building their site - fonts, stock photos, scripts, hosting, etc. This should be clearly mentioned in the contract.

21-03-2007, 12:19	#4 (permalink)
pgo i'm done, son Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,262	The license isn't for you, though. It's for your client's website - not yours, they own it. You're simply setting it up for them. It's how every company works - at least here in the US. Of course, you don't have to tell your client you're charging them for it - you could just work it into your estimate. Say, it'll take you 100 hours at $30/hr. That's $3,000. Add some more for unexpected delays. $4,000. Add the price of any software, say $250 for the EE license, $25 for stock images. Total: $4275.

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