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oli · 15-09-2003, 04:45

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3104892.stm

Once again, the video game industry is on trial for making violent games. A 14 and 16 yr old who opened fire on an interstate are claiming they were inspired by grand theft auto.
Maybe its not the game thats responsible; but a country that allows teenagers to get access to the guns in the first place?

ThePhilster · 15-09-2003, 05:34

That sort of thing really does get me riled up too!!

<Phil's Rant/Dissertation>

I did my Media Studies (now there's a waste of 3 years if you fancy it!!) dissertation on Screen Violence and how it was merely the latest (at the time) form of media to be condemned for creating the violent society we live in.

Did a bit of research into it, and I came to the conclusion that it was very much a class-related issue and had been so for many decades. Penny Black horror books in the 19th Century, horror comics in the 1950s and videos in the 80s were all at one point used as scapegoats for the problems with society.

These were all favoured primarily by "working class" people as forms of entertainment. And as we all know, the masses can't be trusted to differentiate between fantasy and reality, unlike their more educated neighbours who can easily read/watch violent material (good ol' Will Shakespeare was fond of a bit of violence in his day) and dispose of it as merely entertainment.

A great example of this was in the 1920s when a middle-class film society was granted permission by local authorities to show the Russian Revolutionary film "Battleship Potemkin" to their members, but a similar request by a socialist/working class film society was flatly refused.

Similarly, heavily subtitled and violent/explicit foreign films have passed through the BBFC with fewer cuts than their British/American counterparts simply because it requires thought/education/patience to sit and read the translation... And if you're educated/patient enough to do that, then you're less likely to be influenced by the violent images to the extent that you'll try to replicate them!!

And so it comes to Vice City (a blood great game)... And once again, the bandwagon is dusted off in preparation to be jumped upon.

It really is a shame that politicians deflect attention away from the real causes of crime (availability of guns, boredom, social deprevation, abuse) to talk up the dangers of the latest cause celebre. But then, it's much easier to ban a video game than it is to tackle real issues. Politicians? Bunch of cowboys if you ask me...

</Phil's Rant/Dissertation>

oli · 15-09-2003, 05:47

Well said, do they really believe that the game/video etc etc is to blame. Its down to that person's mental health , availabilty of guns, culture the live in.

Reason I mention, is that I started playing GTA Vice city at the weekend and its a great game, very comical.

lyndon · 17-09-2003, 08:06

Oli, any coincidence that you wanted to get pissed on Tequila on Sunday night and drive round the city "hooker slapping"???????

Mr Fred · 17-09-2003, 08:15

i played dave mirra's bmx game non stop untill i achieved a Double Seat Grab Superman Indian

I also wanted to go and buy a bmx

I fell for it

oli · 17-09-2003, 08:50

Thats such a gay game

dixon · 17-09-2003, 08:58

dan · 17-09-2003, 10:16

No way... there is absolutely nothing harder than a Double Seat Grab Superman Indian

roto · 17-09-2003, 10:27

Quote:

Originally posted by ThePhilster
That sort of thing really does get me riled up too!!

<Phil's Rant/Dissertation>
These were all favoured primarily by "working class" people as forms of entertainment. And as we all know, the masses can't be trusted to differentiate between fantasy and reality, unlike their more educated neighbours who can easily read/watch violent material (good ol' Will Shakespeare was fond of a bit of violence in his day) and dispose of it as merely entertainment.
</Phil's Rant/Dissertation>

In this case, a PERFECT point.

Most people from Tennessee, especially where these kids were from, would not likely fit in amongst the "educated neighbors". These little piggies did not/don't know how to separate fantasy from reality. They're little back-woods hillbilly idiots with NOTHING better to do with their time than shoot guns and play video games. And believe me, you can pass ALL the laws you want in that part of the country, but the people there are still going to find a way to get guns. That, I can assure you.

ThePhilster · 17-09-2003, 10:36

Quote:

Originally posted by ®oto
In this case, a PERFECT point.

Most people from Tennessee, especially where these kids were from, would not likely fit in amongst the "educated neighbors". These little piggies did not/don't know how to separate fantasy from reality. They're little back-woods hillbilly idiots with NOTHING better to do with their time than shoot guns and play video games. And believe me, you can pass ALL the laws you want in that part of the country, but the people there are still going to find a way to get guns. That, I can assure you.

Well, I was speaking with tongue fairly in cheek when I said that the "masses" can't be trusted to separate fantasy from reality... That DOES seem to be the view of those "in charge" however, tho certainly not one I'd share...

Boredom, as well as social deprevation is a prime reason for crime (as may have been the case here) and of course, the constitutional right to own a weapon in the US doesn't make things any easier. Did anyone think to blame the constitiution for the kids' actions? Or even the parents? Probably not.. much easier to blame some video game and whup up a conservative-led backlash against it's immorality!!

Damn, this sort of thing really DOES get me riled up!?!

roto · 17-09-2003, 10:40

Steady...

oli · 17-09-2003, 10:45

Hes right though, point the finger at anyone but theselves.
Why does the USA need guns ? To protect yourself against someone else with a gun ?

Get rid of em, they're not needed in this day and age.

chrisrhee · 17-09-2003, 18:13

oli, i completely agree with this post:

Quote:

Its down to that person's mental health , availabilty of guns, culture the live in.

I actually wrote a post on my blog saying the exact same thing:

Quote:

I'll explain briefly: I like chess and I've been playing it a lot recently with my girlfriend (I'm strictly pimping, I know). But I don't go around at night trying to kill kings and queens with my bishops. Why you ask? 1: I'm not fucking crazy and 2: I don't have super easy access to bishops, rooks or knights whenever I please. It's not like I can buy them at any PAWN shop. (Couldn't resist...)

But I just read your last post and don't agree at all (about how the U.S. should get rid of guns). If you legally enforce gun control, the only people that would be effected are those that are actually buying guns for defense (okay not ONLY these people, but mostly).

I know people who have access to guns and lots of them. They sure didn't acquire them through legal means...

Brown · 17-09-2003, 18:49

the swiss. apparently...

they have national service. when they finish, they get to keep their hand-gun. everybody does national service. everyone has a hand-gun. no-one walks into a bank or restaurant or a petrol station and demands anything.

but then they bend over on the hour and wait for the cuckoo clock to open and scream melodies of love and joy.

chocolate eating, mountain climbing, peace keeping, gold hoarding sensible cuckoo clock building better than thou small slice of europe owning not even two languages are good enough for them they want three (and there's probably more) - just remember girls, they're NOT french - and they're not even sure if william tell actually existed?

don't get me started on the other side of the pond...

ban guns.

http://www.gun-control-network.org/gate.htm

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ThePhilster Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Belfast Posts: 43	That sort of thing really does get me riled up too!! <Phil's Rant/Dissertation> I did my Media Studies (now there's a waste of 3 years if you fancy it!!) dissertation on Screen Violence and how it was merely the latest (at the time) form of media to be condemned for creating the violent society we live in. Did a bit of research into it, and I came to the conclusion that it was very much a class-related issue and had been so for many decades. Penny Black horror books in the 19th Century, horror comics in the 1950s and videos in the 80s were all at one point used as scapegoats for the problems with society. These were all favoured primarily by "working class" people as forms of entertainment. And as we all know, the masses can't be trusted to differentiate between fantasy and reality, unlike their more educated neighbours who can easily read/watch violent material (good ol' Will Shakespeare was fond of a bit of violence in his day) and dispose of it as merely entertainment. A great example of this was in the 1920s when a middle-class film society was granted permission by local authorities to show the Russian Revolutionary film "Battleship Potemkin" to their members, but a similar request by a socialist/working class film society was flatly refused. Similarly, heavily subtitled and violent/explicit foreign films have passed through the BBFC with fewer cuts than their British/American counterparts simply because it requires thought/education/patience to sit and read the translation... And if you're educated/patient enough to do that, then you're less likely to be influenced by the violent images to the extent that you'll try to replicate them!! And so it comes to Vice City (a blood great game)... And once again, the bandwagon is dusted off in preparation to be jumped upon. It really is a shame that politicians deflect attention away from the real causes of crime (availability of guns, boredom, social deprevation, abuse) to talk up the dangers of the latest cause celebre. But then, it's much easier to ban a video game than it is to tackle real issues. Politicians? Bunch of cowboys if you ask me... </Phil's Rant/Dissertation>

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oli I Call Shenanigans™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester, England. Posts: 9,893	Hes right though, point the finger at anyone but theselves. Why does the USA need guns ? To protect yourself against someone else with a gun ? Get rid of em, they're not needed in this day and age. __________________ Linked In :: Last.fm :: Twitter ..................

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Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,186	the swiss. apparently... they have national service. when they finish, they get to keep their hand-gun. everybody does national service. everyone has a hand-gun. no-one walks into a bank or restaurant or a petrol station and demands anything. but then they bend over on the hour and wait for the cuckoo clock to open and scream melodies of love and joy. chocolate eating, mountain climbing, peace keeping, gold hoarding sensible cuckoo clock building better than thou small slice of europe owning not even two languages are good enough for them they want three (and there's probably more) - just remember girls, they're NOT french - and they're not even sure if william tell actually existed? don't get me started on the other side of the pond... ban guns. http://www.gun-control-network.org/gate.htm Last edited by Brown : 17-09-2003 at 18:53.

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