[madnick]

I was wondering wether i should consider buying a distance learning course in flash. I know that most web designers know flash (the bigger companies do). I want to be a graphic designer so will i need to know flash?

Nick

[briljant oranje]

it wouldn't hurt.

[datahound]

I don't beleive you would get any more from a distance learning course than from going to the library and getting Teach Yourself Flash or similar text book.
Flash the software comes with tutorials which you can walk through.
Once you have the basics you can learn more by experimenting with projects.
Is flash an essential tool? It can certainly add value to a design by adding movement, banners, image transitions. I would never build a whole site in Flash.
The more you know the more you are worth I reckon.

[madnick]

Thanks for the advise because otherwise i would have been spending HUNDREDS maybe thousands on distance learning.
message in referance to:

Originally Posted by datahound

I don't beleive you would get any more from a distance learning course than from going to the library and getting Teach Yourself Flash or similar text book.
Flash the software comes with tutorials which you can walk through.
Once you have the basics you can learn more by experimenting with projects.
Is flash an essential tool? It can certainly add value to a design by adding movement, banners, image transitions. I would never build a whole site in Flash.
The more you know the more you are worth I reckon.

[gray]

finish school first ffs

[paulanthony]

another ImageReady slice king I see.

FUCK OFF ALL YOU LITTLE TWATS WITH ILLEGAL COPIES OF IMAGEREADY AND PHOTOSHOP, WHO CALL YOURSELVES "DESIGNERS" BUILD WEBSITES FOR 20 QUID, AND BUM AROUND WEBDESIGN FORUMS BOASTING ABOUT YOUR SKILLZ - JUST FUCK OFF AND GET A LIFE. MAKE SOME FUCKING FRIENDS.

sorry, I've had enough of snotty nosed kids today.

[madnick]

Why do you have to be so stuck up and imature. All i am trying to do is learn. Also i dont get paid £20 for websites i was paid £300 to make www.slmacombee.com.

Originally Posted by paulanthony

another ImageReady slice king I see.

FUCK OFF ALL YOU LITTLE TWATS WITH ILLEGAL COPIES OF IMAGEREADY AND PHOTOSHOP, WHO CALL YOURSELVES "DESIGNERS" BUILD WEBSITES FOR 20 QUID, AND BUM AROUND WEBDESIGN FORUMS BOASTING ABOUT YOUR SKILLZ - JUST FUCK OFF AND GET A LIFE. MAKE SOME FUCKING FRIENDS.

sorry, I've had enough of snotty nosed kids today.

P.S. I have a lot of friends! And I paid the full amount for Adobe Photoshop and ImageReady

[paulanthony]

I feel an immature response <--notice spelling is appropriate.

[pgo]

First off, on-topic: Don't bother paying someone to teach you Flash. Just look at tutorials (the ones that come with Flash, others around the web) or books.

Originally Posted by paulanthony

another ImageReady slice king I see.

FUCK OFF ALL YOU LITTLE TWATS WITH ILLEGAL COPIES OF IMAGEREADY AND PHOTOSHOP, WHO CALL YOURSELVES "DESIGNERS" BUILD WEBSITES FOR 20 QUID, AND BUM AROUND WEBDESIGN FORUMS BOASTING ABOUT YOUR SKILLZ - JUST FUCK OFF AND GET A LIFE. MAKE SOME FUCKING FRIENDS.

sorry, I've had enough of snotty nosed kids today.

I sympathize.

No one should be doing sites professionally (a.k.a "for money") unless they produce professional-level sites. Simple as that. The problem is that there are plenty of kids who make sites like slmacombee.com and get paid to do it. They take work away from people who could create a professional website just because many people say "Why pay a professional $1000 when I could pay my 14 year old nephew $50 to do it for me!?"

But at the same time, these are also the sorts of clients who don't care or know what good design is, so they don't see a difference between hiring a kid and hiring a professional.

However, I have no hard feelings against madnick because he seems honestly interested in learning the right way to do things.

[adam c]

I'd concentrate on learning XHTML and CSS before learning Flash if I was you.

[madnick]

I am currently trying to learn CSS and CGI

[sub]

Everyone has got to start somewhere, and we'll always have more to learn ... I know I do.
I started training as a graphic designer (for print) over 10 years ago and things have changed a lot since then. My advice would be to learn as much Flash/XHTML/CSS whatever as you can; You'll probably find it will be your main source of income as clients who place their branding with a someone usually want their site created by the same designer.

[madnick]

Just out of interest, is there a difference between Xhtml and XML?

[madnick]

Thats nice

[pgo]

Yes and no.

No, because XHTML is a reformulation of HTML as an application of XML.

Yes, because XML is more flexible (hence the "extensible" part of the name). With XML, you can define your own tags and create your own markup language.

So, a valid XHTML document is (usually) XML. An XML document is usually not an XHTML document.

XML looks like...

<book>
  <title>On The Road</title>
  <author>
    <firstname>Jack</firstname>
    <lastname>Kerouac</lastname>
  </author>
</book>

Obviously, this isn't XHTML, but it is XML.

<h1>A Tale of Two Cities, by Charles Dickens</h1>
<h2>Book The First - Recalled to Life</h2>
<h3>Chapter One - The Period</h3>
<p>It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way—in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.</p>

This is XML and XHTML.

[mx]

Originally Posted by adam c

I'd concentrate on learning XHTML and CSS before learning Flash if I was you.

Wow. 9 posts without mentioning xhtml/css. I knew it was too good to last!

[pgo]

It's appropriate and applicable advice.

And does anyone actually use CGI anymore?

[stickmus]

Ruby uses CGI...

[tomson]

Originally Posted by madnick

I want to be a graphic designer so will i need to know flash?

just a thought; if you're wanting to be a graphic designer why are you bothering to learn how to code?

[madnick]

So that i am able to do it all untill i have the income to employ a coder to code it! Or i might just do it all my self

The main reason i want to be a graphic designer is because I love designing websites and creating images.