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P.Prometheus · 25-04-2003, 08:31

Hey I've got some question(S)

i'm 16 year old, getting 17 this year. I live in the netherlands and I would like to know:

-If i would like to be a freelancer, how does that all work? Allso with money handling etc! I've done some jobs on the net, but never thought about it!

oli · 25-04-2003, 08:45

Im not sure how you stand legally in the netherlands , your best off speaking to a bank manager or small business advisor.

dan · 25-04-2003, 08:51

I agree...

Over here I found Business Link and the Inland Revenue to be invaluble, as well as my bank when I was setting up.

Can't stress how much talking to friends who were also self employed helped as well, wether they were involved in design or not. Book keeping and tax is book keeping and tax no matter what you're doing

Good luck with it. Are you thinking of continuing education or working for somebody else first?

P.Prometheus · 25-04-2003, 13:44

well you know, i'm not a person who says, hmm want to learn this , or want to do that. it's more like hey man, that looks nice, lemme try and then i'm learning that thing. So everything what's coming along i'll try to learn.... same with this, I thought maybe you guys know the deal.. but to bad you don't... but thnx everyone for helping me out, you know you are the nr1/2 board i know for graphics and eveyrthing!

webmasterbubba · 08-08-2003, 18:08

hey, to help you out a little bit heres some information and things to do. like the others said before me, you need to talk to a business advisor type person/agency and find out about licensing for your business, taxes, etc. thats all in the details.

but start small. people dont know you're out there unless you find them. and when you do find them and word gets out and people put links to your site on their pages, then your name will get out and you'll have a fairly good business going. but it takes time, alot of time. however its worth it in the end.

you need a website too. a pretty flashy one and it should be the most elaborate one for you to design that way you can impress possible customers.

this may help, may not. but there it was from me...

Brown · 11-08-2003, 06:06

P.P - i freelanced in amsterdam for a year or so but i had a dutch friend who sorted out all the legal stuff for me - she was an accountant and just told me where to sign the forms. find an accountant.

i'd recommend working full time for some different people first - its disheartening breaking something on a freelance job and you won't get asked back - break it for your fulltime employer and you won't make the same mistake again. freelancer's are used b'cos they don't need training, hopefully they don't even want a cup of coffee, they're just gonna sit down and do exactly what you tell them to do, possibly tell you a better way of doing it, and doing it bloody quickly.

i don't think you need a flashy website, more important is proven understanding and word of mouth recommendations. you can spot a blagger as soon as they sit down.

just remember, its a small world out there, you'll bump into the same people over and over again. they'll remember you for what you did for them the first time...

good luck. zeker veten!

webmasterbubba · 12-08-2003, 13:23

well you may not need a flashy website, but a flashy website attracts customers moreso than a boring website.

just my suggestions, dont contridict me brown

dcd · 12-08-2003, 16:22

a badly made flash website is worth nothing! A well made 'boring' page is worth loads!

Brown · 12-08-2003, 17:03

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Originally posted by webmasterbubba
dont contridict me brown

contrAdict you f'kwit. and anyway, i wasn't contraticting you, i was just sharing my knowledge and years of experience of hiring and firing freelancers - isn't that what we're here for?

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...a pretty flashy one...

like yours bubbaboy?

Omnetix · 12-08-2003, 17:14

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like yours bubbaboy? [/b]

ouch

Brown · 12-08-2003, 17:15

i know, bit hash, but DOOOOOD! COMIC SANS!!!!

sorry bubba. don't want to put you off learning your web skills. keep up the learning thing, just look up words in the dictionary before you use them.

webmasterbubba · 14-08-2003, 21:54

ok there brown, ill use a dictionary the next time i want to waste time. obviously you're one of those dumba$$ english perfectionists because most web users and web programmers dont care about speling, but hey there are some odd ones in crowd(like YOU BROWN)

webmasterbubba · 14-08-2003, 21:57

PS, for those of you who refer to me as bubbaboy, you're real cool (I WISH I COULD BE AS COOL AS YOU!/not) and for the record I SAID FLASHY website NOT FLASH but FLASHY as in a professional, colorful, well designed attention getter

Mr Fred · 15-08-2003, 04:24

still going on bubbaboy - give it a rest

because most web users and web programmers dont care about speling (sic)

big fusding knot

sleepingfish · 15-08-2003, 05:10

SagaLout · 15-08-2003, 05:43

"because most web users and web programmers dont care about speling"

Such irony.....anyway, try telling that to a programmer trying to debug a 10,000 line script full of spelling mistakes.

Brown · 15-08-2003, 06:15

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ill use a dictionary the next time i want to waste time.

why not pay attention in school in the first place, then there's no time wasting, talking of which, you've wasted enough of mine on this thread already...

oli · 15-08-2003, 06:19

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english perfectionists

haha

dan · 15-08-2003, 15:09

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english perfectionists

Isn't that the point???

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because most web users and web programmers dont care about speling

I guess that's why most of the web looks like it does then...

Omnetix · 15-08-2003, 15:26

Agreed.

Know what my pet English peeve is?

"Loose" and "Lose". It's amazing how many dimwits dont seem to understand that those are two distinctly different words with different meanings.

Well, time to get back to eating my after DINER DESERT.

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P.Prometheus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 17	Freelancing Question? Hey I've got some question(S) i'm 16 year old, getting 17 this year. I live in the netherlands and I would like to know: -If i would like to be a freelancer, how does that all work? Allso with money handling etc! I've done some jobs on the net, but never thought about it!

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25-04-2003, 08:51	#3 (permalink)
dan Iris Folder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: smokey Posts: 2,672	I agree... Over here I found Business Link and the Inland Revenue to be invaluble, as well as my bank when I was setting up. Can't stress how much talking to friends who were also self employed helped as well, wether they were involved in design or not. Book keeping and tax is book keeping and tax no matter what you're doing Good luck with it. Are you thinking of continuing education or working for somebody else first?

25-04-2003, 13:44	#4 (permalink)
P.Prometheus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 17	well you know, i'm not a person who says, hmm want to learn this , or want to do that. it's more like hey man, that looks nice, lemme try and then i'm learning that thing. So everything what's coming along i'll try to learn.... same with this, I thought maybe you guys know the deal.. but to bad you don't... but thnx everyone for helping me out, you know you are the nr1/2 board i know for graphics and eveyrthing!

08-08-2003, 18:08	#5 (permalink)
webmasterbubba Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: southwest virginia (not south westvirginia) Posts: 14	hey, to help you out a little bit heres some information and things to do. like the others said before me, you need to talk to a business advisor type person/agency and find out about licensing for your business, taxes, etc. thats all in the details. but start small. people dont know you're out there unless you find them. and when you do find them and word gets out and people put links to your site on their pages, then your name will get out and you'll have a fairly good business going. but it takes time, alot of time. however its worth it in the end. you need a website too. a pretty flashy one and it should be the most elaborate one for you to design that way you can impress possible customers. this may help, may not. but there it was from me...

11-08-2003, 06:06	#6 (permalink)
Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,214	P.P - i freelanced in amsterdam for a year or so but i had a dutch friend who sorted out all the legal stuff for me - she was an accountant and just told me where to sign the forms. find an accountant. i'd recommend working full time for some different people first - its disheartening breaking something on a freelance job and you won't get asked back - break it for your fulltime employer and you won't make the same mistake again. freelancer's are used b'cos they don't need training, hopefully they don't even want a cup of coffee, they're just gonna sit down and do exactly what you tell them to do, possibly tell you a better way of doing it, and doing it bloody quickly. i don't think you need a flashy website, more important is proven understanding and word of mouth recommendations. you can spot a blagger as soon as they sit down. just remember, its a small world out there, you'll bump into the same people over and over again. they'll remember you for what you did for them the first time... good luck. zeker veten!

12-08-2003, 13:23	#7 (permalink)
webmasterbubba Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: southwest virginia (not south westvirginia) Posts: 14	well you may not need a flashy website, but a flashy website attracts customers moreso than a boring website. just my suggestions, dont contridict me brown

12-08-2003, 17:15	#11 (permalink)
Brown volkswagen yellow & gold Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: london, england. Posts: 6,214	i know, bit hash, but DOOOOOD! COMIC SANS!!!! sorry bubba. don't want to put you off learning your web skills. keep up the learning thing, just look up words in the dictionary before you use them.

14-08-2003, 21:54	#12 (permalink)
webmasterbubba Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: southwest virginia (not south westvirginia) Posts: 14	ok there brown, ill use a dictionary the next time i want to waste time. obviously you're one of those dumba$$ english perfectionists because most web users and web programmers dont care about speling, but hey there are some odd ones in crowd(like YOU BROWN)

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webmasterbubba Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: southwest virginia (not south westvirginia) Posts: 14	PS, for those of you who refer to me as bubbaboy, you're real cool (I WISH I COULD BE AS COOL AS YOU!/not) and for the record I SAID FLASHY website NOT FLASH but FLASHY as in a professional, colorful, well designed attention getter

15-08-2003, 04:24	#14 (permalink)
Mr Fred Magazines™ Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Glasgow.. Posts: 11,275	still going on bubbaboy - give it a rest because most web users and web programmers dont care about speling (sic) big fusding knot

15-08-2003, 05:10	#15 (permalink)
sleepingfish css is for divs Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Norwich Posts: 4,524	/not

15-08-2003, 05:43	#16 (permalink)
SagaLout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 144	"because most web users and web programmers dont care about speling" Such irony.....anyway, try telling that to a programmer trying to debug a 10,000 line script full of spelling mistakes.

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